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Labour immigration politics....

#1
Yesterday:

“Sadly, immigration has served as a proxy for race in the British political narrative for so long, that it is still not possible to totally deracialise it.

There is no path to victory for the Labour Party in 2015 through the thickets of anti-immigrant politics and I am confident that Ed Miliband knows this.”

Dianne Abbott


Today:


"One of the things we didn’t get right was immigration, and that’s why I’ve got a new approach. Millions of people in this country are concerned about immigration and if people are concerned about it, then the Labour Party I lead is going to be talking about it.”

Ed Miliband

Sound like a bit of a spat but two small problems with the Labour bullshit vs. Labour reality:

".....the Labour Party I lead....."

and

"....talking about it...."
 
#2
Labour immigration policy's, shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Oh and Dianne Abbott is a nasty bigoted hypocritical bitch.
 
#4
The Labour woman (don't know her name, don't care) who was on The Daily Politics today certainly wasn't "talking about it". In fact she tried very hard to avoid "talking about it".
 
#10
I've said this elswhere in another thread but I'll say it again. Labour did indeed open the door to huge amounts of immigration and it did the vast majority of ordinary people no good whatsoever that it happened.

My groundwork business which was thriving prior to the gates being thrown open completely floundered and never picked up again to a sustainable level. I went from working 5 to 7 days a week to 4 or 5 days a month once all those who came here from abroad got their feet under the table. Many months, there was no work at all!

It didn't take them long to get their feet under the table either and there was a simple reason for that!

Labour made the decision to let them in but they didn't do it just because they felt like it. They were lobbied and massively by industry, particularly the construction industry who could see huge pools of cheap labour which would save them billions in wage costs.

For example. Home grown brick layers on building sites were pulling in £160 to £170 per day. Polish bricklayers came over to Britain and did it for £40 per day. Check out any building site at the time and for several years afterwards and it was unusual to hear native English being spoken. Not an awful lot has changed even today. The big companies still prefer foreign labour because they get it cheaper and of course, the whole thing has filtered down to the medium and the small sized companies as well.

So by all means blame Labour for opening the gates but don't forget those who massively lobbied them to do it. Incidentally, those companies would have done the same thing with the Tories if they had been in power at the time.
 
#11
I've said this elswhere in another thread but I'll say it again. Labour did indeed open the door to huge amounts of immigration and it did the vast majority of ordinary people no good whatsoever that it happened.

My groundwork business which was thriving prior to the gates being thrown open completely floundered and never picked up again to a sustainable level. I went from working 5 to 7 days a week to 4 or 5 days a month once all those who came here from abroad got their feet under the table. Many months, there was no work at all!

It didn't take them long to get their feet under the table either and there was a simple reason for that!

Labour made the decision to let them in but they didn't do it just because they felt like it. They were lobbied and massively by industry, particularly the construction industry who could see huge pools of cheap labour which would save them billions in wage costs.

For example. Home grown brick layers on building sites were pulling in £160 to £170 per day. Polish bricklayers came over to Britain and did it for £40 per day. Check out any building site at the time and for several years afterwards and it was unusual to hear native English being spoken. Not an awful lot has changed even today. The big companies still prefer foreign labour because they get it cheaper and of course, the whole thing has filtered down to the medium and the small sized companies as well.

So by all means blame Labour for opening the gates but don't forget those who massively lobbied them to do it. Incidentally, those companies would have done the same thing with the Tories if they had been in power at the time.
Given that those Polish workers are living in Britain how do they manage to get by on £40 a day or were the prices paid before they came inflated by lack of skilled brickies?
 
#13
I've said this elswhere in another thread but I'll say it again. Labour did indeed open the door to huge amounts of immigration and it did the vast majority of ordinary people no good whatsoever that it happened.

My groundwork business which was thriving prior to the gates being thrown open completely floundered and never picked up again to a sustainable level. I went from working 5 to 7 days a week to 4 or 5 days a month once all those who came here from abroad got their feet under the table. Many months, there was no work at all!

It didn't take them long to get their feet under the table either and there was a simple reason for that!

Labour made the decision to let them in but they didn't do it just because they felt like it. They were lobbied and massively by industry, particularly the construction industry who could see huge pools of cheap labour which would save them billions in wage costs.

For example. Home grown brick layers on building sites were pulling in £160 to £170 per day. Polish bricklayers came over to Britain and did it for £40 per day. Check out any building site at the time and for several years afterwards and it was unusual to hear native English being spoken. Not an awful lot has changed even today. The big companies still prefer foreign labour because they get it cheaper and of course, the whole thing has filtered down to the medium and the small sized companies as well.

So by all means blame Labour for opening the gates but don't forget those who massively lobbied them to do it. Incidentally, those companies would have done the same thing with the Tories if they had been in power at the time.
But that 'cheap' workforce doesn't come cheap. It might allow the balance sheet of certain companies to look healthier but it puts the home-grown workforce on the dole... which shifts the cost to the country. And despite what the Daily Wail may say, many of those on the dole don't want to be.

A typical example of not thinking an idea or policy through to its fullest extent. We really are governed by short-termist idiots.
 
#14
Given that those Polish workers are living in Britain how do they manage to get by on £40 a day or were the prices paid before they came inflated by lack of skilled brickies?
Probably as a lot of migrant workforces do; by pooling their money and living in digs where the living room and dining room are also bedrooms, accepting that that's their lot because they're only there to make money.

Meanwhile the guys who live here because they're from here can't afford to pay the rent or mortgage because they're only offered £40 a day.
 
#15
Probably as a lot of migrant workforces do; by pooling their money and living in digs where the living room and dining room are also bedrooms, accepting that that's their lot because they're only there to make money.

Meanwhile the guys who live here because they're from here can't afford to pay the rent or mortgage because they're only offered £40 a day.

Then the guys who are here because they're from here need to lower their expectations considerably.
 
#16
Given that those Polish workers are living in Britain how do they manage to get by on £40 a day or were the prices paid before they came inflated by lack of skilled brickies?
It was not at all unusual to turn up on a site and if you were a little early, you would see them rousing from the top floor of a building or a large shed on the site. Not just one or two but gangs of them 6, 7, 8 or 9 strong.

I built a house extension a few years ago and I discovered that a firm across the road from my job was a driveway installer. There was a caravan around the back and you could watch them all pile out of it into the vans if you arrived on the job a little early.

They slept anywhere and the only criteria was that it could be as rough as it could be as long as it was free.
 
#17
Then the guys who are here because they're from here need to lower their expectations considerably.
Or go and do something else. But if you're going to import all your artisans, then you're left with a very expensive problem to address: that of what to do with a large number of low/semi-skilled individuals, many of whom aren't educationally inclined or gifted, and are any case the products of an education/training system which is shockingly unfit for purpose.

The fact remains that £40 a day is an unsustainable wage for a brickie in this country, not if that person ever wants to own a property or even enjoy the basics of life. My original point, that a £40-a-day brickie from elsewhere isn't 'cheap' when viewed in terms of the cost to the country overall, still stands.
 
#18
Wrong - they had a policy, which was (and this has been confirmed by Labour apparatchiks) to flood the country with immigrants.
Chris Grayling has criticised Labour's Phil Woolas for secret immigration plans | Mail Online
This reinforces the fact that socialist governments of all types are obsessed with driving through their ideology, even if these visions bring disaster and bankruptcy to the country. They were never interested in listening to the electorate.
 
#19
It was not at all unusual to turn up on a site and if you were a little early, you would see them rousing from the top floor of a building or a large shed on the site. Not just one or two but gangs of them 6, 7, 8 or 9 strong.

I built a house extension a few years ago and I discovered that a firm across the road from my job was a driveway installer. There was a caravan around the back and you could watch them all pile out of it into the vans if you arrived on the job a little early.

They slept anywhere and the only criteria was that it could be as rough as it could be as long as it was free.
I accept what you're saying but isn't it also possible that the men you see are away from their base and don't wish to stay in digs or cheap hotels? On £170 a day you can probably afford £25 a night for a cheap hotel but not on £40. There was a piece on Radio 4 the other week about (British) workers living in their vans because they can't afford the cost of digs and the cost of commuting is too much.
 
#20
Or go and do something else. But if you're going to import all your artisans, then you're left with a very expensive problem to address: that of what to do with a large number of low/semi-skilled individuals, many of whom aren't educationally inclined or gifted, and are any case the products of an education/training system which is shockingly unfit for purpose.

The fact remains that £40 a day is an unsustainable wage for a brickie in this country, not if that person ever wants to own a property or even enjoy the basics of life. My original point, that a £40-a-day brickie from elsewhere isn't 'cheap' when viewed in terms of the cost to the country overall, still stands.
What is an average Tom's daily rate these days?
 

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