Labour electorial fraud-its started

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Le_addeur_noir, May 4, 2010.

Welcome to the Army Rumour Service, ARRSE

The UK's largest and busiest UNofficial military website.

The heart of the site is the forum area, including:

  1. According to today's Daily Mail(on a crap PC in Germany,so unfortunatly no link) there have been several cases of alleged electorial fraud involving students from the Indian sub-continent in Tower Hamlets.

    A report on the BBc pointed to postel ballots being signed 'blind ' in Pakistan.

    Sounds like the scams that were prevalent during the last general election in 2005.

    If Labour were not the main beneficary in postal ballot fraud,this would have been banned long ago.




    '
     
  2. I think the biggest Fraud is that patronising (Radio 4 this morning) Orange coloured lunatic in Wales, Peter Hain, how dare he!
     
  3. Peter Hain.
    If there was ever a credible reason for curbing immigration into the UK it is that cnut.
     
  4. Hell if there was ever a credible reason for introducing genocide into the UK its that Cnut and his entire party.
     
  5. Off thread but I also heard the broadcast and it just highlights the dangers of changing our voting system .... we could end up with a system where instead of at a local level an MP is elected by a simple majority and is thus the most popular candidiate into a one where the least unpopular person is elected . What really smells is as Lord Ashdown has just said on R4 is the sudden change in the Labour Party attitude to PR in the dying days of this Parliament .

    Edited .... minor text mod .
     
  6. Here's some links:

    The London Standard


    The Daily Mail


    C'mon, is anyone actually surprised?
     
  7. Off-topic but interesting was Ashdown's confirmation in that broadcast of his time in the SIS; I'm not aware he's ever been specific about that before (though I'll no doubt be proved wrong).

    Fully agree that the unspeakable Hain is the best possible argument for selective pest control - good to see him and the equally loathsome Balls thrashing around in what is (let us pray) the death agony of Neue Arbeit.
     
  8. IMHO it's a bit too easy to register to vote these days. This time round it was a matter of listing a name and age as resident in your house/building, depending on who got to the post first. I've been accidentally registered to vote in two places for the same elections a few times while a student. Never exercised, but surely not right that there's no central system?
     
  9. This postal vote business is only a slightly more fashionable version of the old 'Voting the cemetary', where the dead were registered as living voters. In fact, this version isn't as good, as there might actually be living people to interview about their stolen vote.

    The creation of such false voter registrations that are directly under the fraudster's control isn't unknown, and there are powers in place to stop it. (See Birmingham Sparkbrook, 2004)

    What is slightly more disturbing is the practice of 'village headman' types corralling the votes of the ignorant or non-English speaking constituents, and selling them as a block vote. That is an import from the sub-continent that does appear to be new.

    This is an official Parliamentary report on electoral fraud by postal votin, dated January 2010. It would be interesting to see what, if any, measures have been put in place to prevent this stuff happening again, especially in regard of the Rowntree's report referred to.
    http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snpc-03667.pdf


    Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust report, Purity of Elections

    On 28 April 2008 a report was published by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust which examined the integrity of the electoral system in the UK. The author of Purity of Elections in the UK: Causes for Concern, Stuart Wilks-Heeg, said in his preface that the report had been commissioned ‘to review the extent to which there is evidence of electoral principles and processes being undermined in the UK.’
    Wilks-Heeg’s key findings were as follows:

    •
    Experienced election observers have raised serious concerns about how well UK election procedures measure up to international standards.
    •
    There have been at least 42 convictions for electoral fraud in the UK in the period 2000–2007.
    •
    Greater use of postal voting has made UK elections far more vulnerable to fraud and resulted in several instances of large-scale fraud.
    •
    There is widespread, and justifiable, concern about both the comprehensiveness and the accuracy of the UK’s electoral registers – the poor state of the registers potentially compromises the integrity of the ballot.
    •
    There is a genuine risk of electoral integrity being threatened by previously robust systems of electoral administration having reached ‘breaking point’ as a result of pressures imposed in recent years.
    •
    Public confidence in the electoral process in the UK was the lowest in Western Europe in 1997, and has almost certainly declined further as a result of the extension of postal voting.
    •
    The benefits of postal and electronic voting have been exaggerated, particularly in relation to claims about increased turnout and social inclusion.
    •
    There is substantial evidence to suggest that money can have a powerful impact on the outcome of general elections, particularly where targeted at marginal constituencies over sustained periods of time.
    •
    Outside of ministerial circles, there is a widespread view that a fundamental overhaul of UK electoral law, administration and policy is urgently required.

    Wilks-Heeg commented that the current controversies about the integrity of elections in the UK ‘are without precedent in recent British political history’ and that during the past ten years views on electoral procedures have moved away from ‘a broad consensus in favour of ‘modernising’ reforms to a highly polarised debate centred on competing claims about the extent of electoral malpractice and the degree to which ballot secrecy are being compromised.’ His research into convictions for electoral offences over the past 15 years suggested ‘that there would not appear to be any specific patterns to these convictions; they are not restricted to a single political party, to specific geographical areas or to particular migrant communities.’ However the majority of cases concerned elections in England and with regard to convictions for electoral fraud Wilks-Heeg noted that ‘there is no denying that numerous convictions for electoral fraud since 2000 have concerned postal and proxy ballot fraud in specific inner-urban wards where a large concentration of voters originate from the Indian sub-continent’ and he cited the cases in Oldham, Blackburn, Burnley and Birmingham.
    The report also examined the effect of the Biraderi (‘brotherhood’) system on electoral practices in some British Asian communities. Wilks-Heeg acknowledged that this issue required further and more detailed research and that much of the existing knowledge depended heavily on largely anecdotal evidence but he noted that ‘it has been widely suggested that the Biraderi system disenfranchises voters, given the combination of a patriarchal clan system and widespread ‘use of postal voting, in which ballot papers are completed within the family home, or, in some cases, taken to a central facility (so called ‘voting factories’) for completion by party representatives.’
    The report concluded that the rebuilding of public confidence in the electoral process is urgently required and attributed this loss of confidence to high profile cases of fraud; administrative shortcomings associated with the under resourcing of electoral administration, and the often unrealistic timescales for introducing changes to the electoral process.'



    As they used to say in Ireland. 'Vote early...Vote often!'
     
  10. This Government makes the "Dunny on the Wold" by election look like an example of electoral probity!!
     
  11. So what's new.