Labour call for SDSR review in the wake of recent events in Africa.

#1
He has a valid point if recent events were'nt factored into the decisions...

Labour calls for SDSR to be reopened | British Forces News

Recent events in Algeria, Mali and Libya undermine the defence review which provoked Army redundancies announced today and the plans should be reopened, Labour has said.

Shadow Defence Secretary Jim Murphy said none of the North African countries had even been mentioned in the Strategic Defence and Security Review, which was carried out in 2010.

But Defence Personnel Minister Mark Francois defended the plans, insisting they were necessary to meet a defence spending deficit. He pledged the Ministry of Defence would seek volunteers where possible and give support to those leaving the forces.

Under a third tranche of redundancies confirmed today, up to 5,300 people will leave the Army under plans first announced in October 2010. The goal is to reduce the Army to 82,000 personnel while reinforcing the reserves.

Asking an urgent question in the Commons, Mr Murphy said: "The Government's defence review committed the UK to an Army of 95,000 but didn't even mention Mali, Algeria, Tunisia, Nigeria or even Libya.
 
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#2
Never going to happen. Besides, it's a bit of a bloody cheek calling for a review of the review when it was his party that got us into a god awful financial mess (and 2 wars) which has to be paid for somehow.
 
#4
Cancel the redundancies? That'd piss off a certain woman on here waiting for her hubby's payoff to buy her house.
 

Grumblegrunt

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#5
the whole issue was a RAF/BAE led trainwreck IMO, someone has an agenda which involves not leaving UK airspace to do anything which might damage the chances of spending all day flying over the lake district looking pretty.

if they want to stop sdsr then the only way I reckon is to field a motion that the British army (now that it is under 100k) by its own definitions must be relabelled a defence force and become non deployable except to any remaining british dependancies.

the only way to get through to politicians nowadays seem to be by making them lose face. the whole world is laughing at the way we fritter cash away while getting less and less capable. 4th biggest defence budget and we struggle to send and support 10,000 troops overseas!!!!
 
#6
Don't be silly!
HMG will not be going picking any more fights for a decade after Afghanistan.
Would the Eton Mess lie to you?
 
#7
And we'll have a review of the review take in to account everything that is happening at the moment and guess what will happen when the review of the review takes effect?
 

Grumblegrunt

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#9
I cant wait for them to send the carriers around the world on goodwill gestures while they work out what to do without f35b after it gets cancelled and the marines decide to upgrade the av8 again. by the time we get a working carrier force again everyone else will be fighting in space.

su27 is navalised isnt it?
 
#10
The SDSR didn't mention many countries. It did however use words and phrases such as 'global', 'the world', it's about strategy, domestic and international interests etc.
 
#11
The SDSR didn't mention many countries. It did however use words and phrases such as 'global', 'the world', it's about strategy, domestic and international interests etc.
Quite so, but the way things are looking perhaps words like "local", "the Country" and "tactical" (insert where you see fit) would have been more applicable.
 
#12
Yeah right, because him and his party really give a shit about the Armed Forces.
 
#15
Two wars on a peacetime budget whilst firehosing money they didn't have on their client state.
That's the history of 2001 on in a nut shell, isn't it?
 
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#16
In response to Labours mention of current conflict in Africa, to combat the use of "technicals" maybe this can replace CR2 & Warrior:

 
#17
I was going to say does labour think the voters are seriously that thick to think they can call for a spending review of Defense and the voters would not remember what Labour did to defense. Then I realised, unfortunately many voters don't look beyond the colour of the rosette.

And there in lies the problem.
 

Wordsmith

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#18
I was going to say does labour think the voters are seriously that thick to think they can call for a spending review of Defense and the voters would not remember what Labour did to defence. Then I realised, unfortunately many voters don't look beyond the colour of the rosette.

And there in lies the problem.
Or many voters don't take more of an interest in politics and current affairs beyond the convenient sound bites on the news or in that bastion of intellectualism, the Sun. Which is why politicians of all hues go for sound bites - they know its bollocks and political opportunism, but it might sway a few voters.

I personally think the solution is to revert to the Medieval model where the heads of state led their forces into battle. Of course, we should update it for modern times. So that's the Prime Minister, Chancellor and Defence Secretary acting as point men on patrol on the next foreign adventure, aided and abetted by their Labour shadows.

Maybe they'd be less gung ho then.

Wordsmith
 
#19
13 years of under-financing has to be paid for somehow. Coalition politicians might look like parrots when they talk about the problem they were left with but it's true.

However, as threads and ARRSErs ad nauseum have repeated, if we gripped some of the bigger issues - which none of the major parties have the balls to do, frankly - people would see that defence cuts hurt defence majorly but are just a piss in a pot in a national budget sense.

Grip health and welfare; get a grip of overseas aid. Sign up to the same bits of the EU constitution that countries like Germany did (if it's not too late) and (if it's possible) apply them retrospectively (and if it's not, grow a set and do it anyway). Then we wouldn't be worrying about how Bulgarians and Romanians to expect, would we?

Most of all, stop knackering the bits of the country that still work (kinda) and have a go at the bits that don't.

Then senior officers won't have to be seen on the evening news uttering total bollocks like, 'Bigger isn't always better.'
 

Travelgall

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#20
Sign up to the same bits of the EU constitution that countries like Germany did (if it's not too late) and (if it's possible) apply them retrospectively (and if it's not, grow a set and do it anyway). Then we wouldn't be worrying about how Bulgarians and Romanians to expect, would we?
The Germans have the same problems with Romanians and Bulgarians that we do. They will get them in 2014 as well. The Germans and all the other Schengen opted out of Poles, Czechs et all. Britain and Ireland accepted them. Different situation.
 

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