L22A2 SA80 Carbine

#1
The L22A2 must have been in service for a few years now.



Does anyone actually use it? Has it proved to be of any merit?
 
#2
Issued to regiments in the RAC, a good rifle to shoot but it would help if the weapon racks were also modified in the vehicles to allow the Carbines to fit properly.
 
#3
Helicopter Crews and AFV crews use it. Gotta be better than a Sig or Browning. Fires a full 5.56mm SS109, just poorer accuracy due to the shorter barrel.
 
#4
Boris3098 said:
Helicopter Crews and AFV crews use it. Gotta be better than a Sig or Browning. Fires a full 5.56mm SS109, just poorer accuracy due to the shorter barrel.
Yet still has a longer barrel than the M4. :p
 
#6
They were looking at issuing it to R Signals too at one point fairly recently.... anyone know if thats still on the cards?
 
#7
therealbigdizzle said:
They were looking at issuing it to R Signals too at one point fairly recently.... anyone know if thats still on the cards?
Out of interest, why? :? AFV and chopper crews I can understand.
 
#9
box-of-frogs said:
therealbigdizzle said:
They were looking at issuing it to R Signals too at one point fairly recently.... anyone know if thats still on the cards?
Out of interest, why?
Because bleeps don't have the upper body strength to carry a full sized weapon. They all have doll's hands too.
 
#10
I'm not a fan of it myself, a few of our lads get better scores on APWT with carbine than they did with the rifle though. I just don't like the forward pistol grip, doesn't attach far enough forward for my liking. Apart from that it seems ok for what it is designed for.
 
#12
I'm not sure of the rationale behind that. I've never compared carbine and rifle to see if the gas ports are the same distance along the barrel (assuming that if a carbine were to be fitted with iron sights, the foresight would be attached here) I suspect there would be a shorter distance between rear and foresights on a carbine, would this have much of an effect on shooting? Alternatively, it might be SUSAT so the weapon is ready to go into theatre, when we had rifles, I could never understand the point in training with iron sights and then changeing to SUSAT for tour.
 
#13
Our Unit may get them when some deploy to Kabul, and we are not Sigs, Tankies or AAC.
 
#14
It doesn't matter what unit you are, if the job you're doing is easier with a carbine you'll almost certainly get an LSW. :)

They're pretty good up to 300m but anything after that my eye's are screwed so feck knows.

Dog handlers were going to get them on Herrick but I think that might be getting binned because of training costs.
 
#15
The booties received a number of them, I'm presuming for their Viking crews, but they do seem to have migrated to at least some of their boarding parties down in the Arabian Gulf.
 
#16
FiveAlpha said:
box-of-frogs said:
therealbigdizzle said:
They were looking at issuing it to R Signals too at one point fairly recently.... anyone know if thats still on the cards?
Out of interest, why?
Because bleeps don't have the upper body strength to carry a full sized weapon. They all have doll's hands too.
Signals have not shown any interest to my knowledge.

Although they would be very handy for those who are vehicle bound or work in confined spaces.

What are the costs involved in replacing a rifle wit ha carbine? Is it just a case of modding a rifle or a complete rebuild?

And would it just be cheaper to purchase a slack handful of HK UCPs and MP7s to arm non-fighting troops. Using GPMGs as the long reach?
 
#17
How many L22's have been produced and Is it realy needed? The IW concept was to get rid of long and short weapons (aka SLR and SMG) with one to make training and log's simpler. Would it be useful to make them even more widespread to "rear" area troops whos first job isnt fighting?

Plus i have seen pics of FAA lynx crews carrying them as well.

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chocolate_frog said:
What are the costs involved in replacing a rifle wit ha carbine? Is it just a case of modding a rifle or a complete rebuild?

And would it just be cheaper to purchase a slack handful of HK UCPs and MP7s to arm non-fighting troops. Using GPMGs as the long reach?
Id see it being more expensive as they have to set up a whole supply line for MP7 bits and 4.6 ammo.
 
#18
I like it because it has a SUSAT, and I am really bad with iron sights. That's the only reason.
 
#19
Why is it an A2? Surely it is an L22 A1? Or did they mirror its status to the IW and LSW?
 
#20
chocolate_frog said:
Why is it an A2? Surely it is an L22 A1? Or did they mirror its status to the IW and LSW?
There WAS an A1 carbine:

 

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