L1A1 fitted with moderator/silencer

#1
Was the SLR ever officially fitted with a moderator or silencer?

I'm aware that subsonic rounds would be needed to truly reduce the sound of the weapon firing but would this not also present issues - with cycling, accuracy and so forth?

Indeed has anyone ever seen a 7.62 ball subsonic round? I know they exist within the civilian world but the only reference I can find to a 7.62mm NATO round was a US Army round designated: XM115 which was apparently 'silent'. Naturally the Israelis produce one too!

I'm not doing a bit of cheap research for a Journo's half arrsed article - this query is the result of a colleague's claim that he's seen 'silenced' R1 rifles during the SWAPO conflict.

just asking....
 
#2
Sorry not a real answer but there is a photo in the 44 Parachute Brigade 'The Philistines' book of a 'silenced' rifle but cannot remember which one , either a R1 or a R4. I'll have a look .
 
#3
Sorry not a real answer but there is a photo in the 44 Parachute Brigade 'The Philistines' book of a 'silenced' rifle but cannot remember which one , either a R1 or a R4. I'll have a look .

The R1 and R4 look quite different: I've seen quite a few photos of the R4 with a moderator fitted. It's based (made under licence?) on the IMI Galil I think and no doubt the Israeli's were quick to fit one. Although if they want to leg-shoot Arab kids undetected nowadays they use high powered air-rifles.
 

Grumblegrunt

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#4
perfectly feasible you just need a huge can on the end like a pringles tin. a bit bigger than this one though.

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simpler to carry a silenced .22 bolt action and use that if you want proper quiet. a lot of suppressors used rubber inserts which were only good for a dozen shots before it got noisy.

I did see something somewhere ages ago about a suppressed m60.
 
#5
perfectly feasible you just need a huge can on the end like a pringles tin. a bit bigger than this one though.

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simpler to carry a silenced .22 bolt action and use that if you want proper quiet. a lot of suppressors used rubber inserts which were only good for a dozen shots before it got noisy.

I did see something somewhere ages ago about a suppressed m60.
Thanks GG.

I understand that it's entirely feasible but I was interested in knowing if a moderated L1A1 ever issued - and did subsonic ball exist (has anyone actually got their mitts on it).
 
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syledis

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#7
Just add an LMG mag and a suit sight and you have a rifle that makes women pregnant just by walking past it in the gun rack!
 
#8
The R1 and R4 look quite different: I've seen quite a few photos of the R4 with a moderator fitted. It's based (made under licence?) on the IMI Galil I think and no doubt the Israeli's were quick to fit one. Although if they want to leg-shoot Arab kids undetected nowadays they use high powered air-rifles.

Yes I know they look different .:) the photo is of 2 R4s fitted with one.
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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#9
there were silenced m14s kicking around in nam and we had silencers for 7.62 tucked away so no reason why the saffers wouldn't tinker with an fn - probably brought over by the rhodesians. the selous scouts got very kinky with their stuff.

you can hang a simple suppressor on anything but properly shrouding the barrel to make it manageable is another thing entirely.
 
#12
Seen at my local:

L1AI suppressed.jpg

308 subsonic.jpg
[FONT=&quot]SUBSONIC, will not cycle semi-autos
16" Barrel
Caliber: .308 Winchester
Grain Weight: 168 gr
Bullet: A-Max
Muzzle Velocity: 990 fps
Muzzle Energy: 365 ft/lbs
Energy 100 Yards: 339 ft/lbs
Velocity 100 Yards: 954 fps
Energy 200 Yards: 317 ft/lbs
Velocity 200 Yards: 922 fps
Energy 300 Yards: 298 ft/lbs
Velocity 300 Yards: 894 fps[/FONT]
 
#13
Waaaaay back in the early '70's I recall an SBS gent 'Gilly' playing with one on the ranges at Poole. It was a project in progress and as I recall, ammo was a sticking point.
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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Grumblegrunt

LE
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#16
good call then, apparently we still had brand new stock.
 

Grumblegrunt

LE
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#18
The issued silencer was called a bayonet...
only because we were never given rounds for it. most of the time we never got the bayonet either.
 
#19
Great information - thanks very much. This all proves that my pal was correct and that I'm a horse's arse.

Here's an R4 without a moderator that I'd swapped for an R2 in Namibia - on an anti poaching job. The R2 was fully auto and was basically for scaring Lion - and anyone who fired it on auto.
Namib.jpg

BTW The Bay City Roller hair is because we'd been in the bush for a couple of months and I didn't trust the blokes to cut it
 
#20
In about 1992 I converted an SLR to take a suppressor for an 'official project'. As far as I know, it's still sitting on a rack somewhere.
 
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