Hi. Not sure of the point you are making here. The aircraft were speaking to Ground Forward Air Controllers (the 'MANILA' callsigns in the recording) who were TACON - basically an embedded part of - the supported British unit.chocolate_frog said:
Cyberhacker, you've somehow got us all quoting each others words....Cyberhacker said:Whoooosh!spike7451 said:
I know they are... but that didn't stop one getting shot down by Patriot, did it?
The point of the photo was not to suggest that they thought they were shooting at SA-9s, but to point out that the concept of a vehicle with orange rockets is not as daft as some are immediately concluding. What if, for example, those rockets were mounted on an SA-13? With the rockets 'stowed', all of a sudden you have a fairly small tracked vehicle with a long front and orange squares at the back. The issue I'm attempting to demonstrate is not that there are Iraqi vehicles which can be confused with a CVR(T) (Otherwise I'd have posted a picture of one), but that there are vehicles which could be interpreted as having orange rockets.chocolate_frog said:Basically the only similarity is that...
One is a BRDM based vehicle - BRDM is generally a recce vehicle, used by Warsaw Pact and obviousl y afew other countries. Oh, yes. It has wheels, even the ones underneath to support the extra weight of the AD launchers.
The other is a CVR (T) based vehicle - CVR (T) being a recce vehilce, used soley by the British. The (T) stands for TRACKS as in NOT WHEELS.
Obviously other differences like "Lack of a sloping front", "lack of turret" etc etc. Don't really bear thinking about at this low level of recognition.
You would think that after so many years of joint operations we'd have something like that in place. Sadly, we don't. We as Americans are horribly bad about sharing information, though I suspect we'd accomplish a lot more if we weren't so paranoid.chocolate_frog said:Hackle, aware of that. But the FACs didn't have eyes on either.
Easiest way, pilot and the ground troops he is supporting spk direct.
No wishy washy comms ladders. Just one to one.