Kuwait says it wants Rafale jets, awaiting terms

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Kuwait says it wants Rafale jets, awaiting terms

PARIS, Oct 21 (Reuters) - Kuwait is hoping to buy advanced Rafale combat jets from France and is awaiting terms from Paris, Kuwaiti Defence Minister Sheikh Jaber al-Hamad al-Sabah said on Wednesday.

'Obviously we would be proud to have the Rafale in the heart of our armed forces in Kuwait,' Sheikh Jaber told reporters after a meeting with his French counterpart Herve Morin in the French capital. 'We hope to see the terms for this soon.'

The Rafale, Dassault Aviation's newest multirole combat aircraft, has been a flagship programme for France's arms industry but is still seeking export buyers, despite major efforts by French authorities.

'It is true that we hope to have the Rafale in our air force,' Sheikh Jaber said, adding that Kuwait was also interested in other items of French military hardware, from helicopters to naval systems.

More at:

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/10/21/afx7027405.html

Apparently, Kuwait would be interested in procuring between 14 and 28 Rafale.
 

Biped

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I bet the French military contractors haven't been fined by the OFT.
 
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Biped said:
I bet the French military contractors haven't been fined by the OFT.
AND NEVER WILL BE
Sarkosy is their best salesman.
The brown envelopes involved in this will be massive. They have managed to buy themselves back into the Indian Programme despite being disqualified, got Brazil from being the last in the race and now Kuwait. They have some neck!

Can't see that bastard Brown helping the UK industry like that - in fact the exact opposite - he is also fooled by the French - witness the 40mm cannon debate. I initially said bought by the French but that implies that he actually realised what he was doing to UK industry!

GRRRRRRRR
 
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Biped said:
I bet the French military contractors haven't been fined by the OFT.

BINGO!!!!


The French are over the moon that BAE and the Typhoon are now effectively out of the market.

Well done Broone, you thick cvnt. :x
 
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Implying that Rafale will be sold because of brown envelopes is a joke, especially when it comes from the country that created the mother of all corrupted deals and then, by law, made sure it would be impossible to inquire on it.(Tornado-Hawk and Eurofighter Saudi deals anyone ?)

What is true is that the French approach to the Arab world which has been to distanciate itself from the USA could be paying off while UK's policy of doing what it is told by the USA has led to a huge loss of influence in the Gulf region. It's not me saying this, iut's all over the news.

From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7189481.stm

"This French success in Abu Dhabi (and Qatar) has for years irritated the British, who regarded themselves as the mentors of the rulers of the lower Gulf. The British formed them into the Trucial States before leaving the Gulf in 1971. The United Arab Emirates, of which Abu Dhabi is the largest, was established subsequently.

According to British sources, Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed al-Nahyan, the ruler of Abu Dhabi, has never got on well with the British for reasons British diplomats do not fully understand. However, his antipathy appears well-established.

This allowed the French to make the running and they have done so."

France would have never been able to open a military base (actually three bases, one per service...) if the UK had not lost so much influence in the region. And finally, the UAE were very impressed with their Rafale trials and they have obviously shared their findings with other countries...

So brown envelopes I think not....
 
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The Champs Elysees and all the 5-stars hotels near it in Paris' 8 arrondissement are an Arab prince's paradise. They colonize the whole area during several months and their thirst for "Les plaisirs parisiens" seems to be impossible to quench. So yes, maybe it all started with better canapes....I'd be surprised if Arab princes like Marmite....
 

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fantassin said:
The Champs Elysees and all the 5-stars hotels near it in Paris' 8 arrondissement are an Arab prince's paradise. They colonize the whole area during several months and their thirst for "Les plaisirs parisiens" seems to be impossible to quench. So yes, maybe it all started with better canapes....I'd be surprised if Arab princes like Marmite....
Well Arabs certainly colonise St. Denis and all the NE suburbs - why not 8th and 9th Ar. too..
 
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Of course the french are spreading around brown envelopes.

Unless you take the attitude that french gear is so much better than anyone elses that they dont need to- which is obviously bollocks in reality.

The thing is the french Gov assists it's defence contracters while UK PLC works against them
 
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Oh, yes, there is something really new - the kuwaitis no longer feel obliged to buy US kit as a thank you gesture for their liberation 18 years ago. And that's a huge shift in policy.
 
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fantassin said:
Oh, yes, there is something really new - the kuwaitis no longer feel obliged to buy US kit as a thank you gesture for their liberation 18 years ago. And that's a huge shift in policy.
Or it could just be the fact that France slipped the right Prince a fresh blonde to deflower. Why would a rich Price need French cash as a bribe.
 
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fantassin said:
Oh, yes, there is something really new - the kuwaitis no longer feel obliged to buy US kit as a thank you gesture for their liberation 18 years ago. And that's a huge shift in policy.
They never did. The F-18's they have now were on order before the Gulf War, and the M1 and M2 orders can frankly be seen as a reflection of how well they performed against Iraq in 1991.
 
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parapauk said:
fantassin said:
Oh, yes, there is something really new - the kuwaitis no longer feel obliged to buy US kit as a thank you gesture for their liberation 18 years ago. And that's a huge shift in policy.
They never did. The F-18's they have now were on order before the Gulf War, and the M1 and M2 orders can frankly be seen as a reflection of how well they performed against Iraq in 1991.
Congrats to the French salesman.

But why do the Kuwaitis need this kit? They have land borders with Iran & Iraq - neither of which is going to attack any time soon. Iran is nearby, but a conventional invasion by Iran would invite a US attack on Iran.

So what's the point?
 
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Pork_Pie said:
parapauk said:
fantassin said:
Oh, yes, there is something really new - the kuwaitis no longer feel obliged to buy US kit as a thank you gesture for their liberation 18 years ago. And that's a huge shift in policy.
They never did. The F-18's they have now were on order before the Gulf War, and the M1 and M2 orders can frankly be seen as a reflection of how well they performed against Iraq in 1991.
Congrats to the French salesman.

But why do the Kuwaitis need this kit? They have land borders with Iran & Iraq - neither of which is going to attack any time soon. Iran is nearby, but a conventional invasion by Iran would invite a US attack on Iran.

So what's the point?

You could say the same about neigbour Saudi Arabia,but they will squander squillions on jets to impress their vanity.Look at the effectiveness of the Saudis during GW1 in 1991.
 
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Pork_Pie said:
But why do the Kuwaitis need this kit? They have land borders with Iran & Iraq - neither of which is going to attack any time soon. Iran is nearby, but a conventional invasion by Iran would invite a US attack on Iran.
Could not agree more.

Kuwait has land border with Iraq and Saudi Arabia and indeed both would not attack the country at least in the near future. As for Iran then let's recall then Iran unleashed a war last time? It happened in 19th century.

Iranian attack of Kuwait would be a gift to the USA. It is pretty clear.

As a result we come to a conclusion that really Kuwait doesn't need these (or any other) fighter jets.

So what does it mean? It is THE EAST. It is specifical eastern diplomacy. No one Rafale was sold abroad yet. And the Kuwaitis understand how important is this contract for our French friends.

Would the planes really been baught? I'm not sure. Moreover, I suspect that the French asked to continue discussions, asked for positive estimates to advance their (indeed very good) planes on other markets.
 

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