Knife Crime in the UK

#61
Bring back the death sentence.
Peddle Class A Drugs, you hang.

Once a few of these drug dealing knobs have dangled by the neck, watch the sea change.

( **** their human rights)
I'm for it.
In fact , I don't think there is any other answer, it's out of control.
To speed up the process , giving Police the support to go in and sort it would be nice.

But of course, that's not going to happen either.
 
#63
That'll be the Albanians.
The police already know this and have done so for many years.
Problem there is the Albanians already won that war comprehensively. Take out a few and they'd make no difference, take out enough to open things up they start a war with everyone scrambling for the columbian nod as top dog.

Tbh the only way to win is legalisation. Knacker the whole business model from import to street in one fell swoop. Bugger all chance of it happening though.
 
#64
Murder someone and the killer should go to prison for the rest of their natural life. No out in 10 - 15 years and certainly no parole. Why the hell should a murderer be back on the streets after so many years.
 
#65
Murder someone and the killer should go to prison for the rest of their natural life. No out in 10 - 15 years and certainly no parole. Why the hell should a murderer be back on the streets after so many years.

Nope that would cost too much money. As said above just hang the cunts
 

rampant

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#66
The report is bollocks. It's linked directly to drugs.
Those Youth Services such as sports clubs, youth clubs, outreach programs and so forth were part of a system that help seperate these kids from the dealers and other criminals, by engaging youngsters and keeping them occupied of an evening or a weekend means that they have fewer encounters with criminals, and the criminals have fewer oppurtunities to groom them. Youth services provide safe spaces for youngsters to be youngsters with a watchful eye on them. So yes the loss of Youth Services has had a major impact on the rise of kids involved in crime,
 

rampant

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#67
Nope that would cost too much money. As said above just hang the cnuts
It cost more to keep a prisoner on Death Row, I believe, than locking them up for life, this is the case in the US due to the need to ensure the prisoner is truely guilty, long, long, long, appeals process.

Bring back hanging here and you've just increased the workload and costs for lawyers. barristers and judges and clerks, at a time when the Justice System is so broke that trials are repeatedly cancelled due to non functioning equipment, failures of communications, Court Houses which are basically collapsing on themselves because there is no money to fix them. Try hold a case with rain pouring through the roof, power failures or sewage leaks, trials are having to be abandoned, delayed (long, long long delays), rescheduled and so on.

The idea that Barristers are all filthy rich lapping at the government teat are not true, I know of Barristers and lawyers who get paid less than £50 a day for their work in trials, because that's all the government gives them, how are you meant to prepare research, interview travel to trials on such a pittance.


Read this and be horrified

The Secret Barrister by The Secret Barrister | Waterstones


Or if you are cheap, and don't want to buy the book, spend some time scrolling through his twitter feed or reading his blog

The Secret Barrister (@BarristerSecret) on Twitter

The Secret Barrister

This a good read too

Justice on trial 2019: Fixing our criminal justice system - The Law Society


(FFS why is the site embedding Amazon links as Media preventing them from being displayed?)
 
Last edited:
#68
Bring back the death sentence.
Peddle Class A Drugs, you hang.

Once a few of these drug dealing knobs have dangled by the neck, watch the sea change.

( **** their human rights)
No jury would convict them.

And why should they? If people didn't want drugs, the dealers wouldn't sell them. Jail the users or de-criminalise all drug use.
 
#69
Judging by his picture he was never going to make a rapid getaway was he...
Also judging strictly by his picture he was old enough to make gang signs. People are really stupid enough that they will stab other people who flash them around.
 
#71
Problem there is the Albanians already won that war comprehensively. Take out a few and they'd make no difference, take out enough to open things up they start a war with everyone scrambling for the columbian nod as top dog.

Tbh the only way to win is legalisation. Knacker the whole business model from import to street in one fell swoop. Bugger all chance of it happening though.
Agreed, the Albanians have the drugs trade sown up not just here but worldwide. Have a look at "Albanian Mafia" on Wiki, you will be shocked by the tonnage of drugs imported into London alone. In league with the Turks who control the import of heroin, it is obvious that the war on drugs has been lost for a very long time and with the way these gangs operate it is impossible to infiltrate them. The Turks and Albanians are vicious fuckers and our home grown scrotes have to be even more vicious to keep on the right side of them.
 
#74
I think they have to start with longer custodial sentences for carrying, on the spot 6 months for your first.

There are not many tools for dealing with this and it’s out of control.

Secondly and I agree with what was posted above by sharpened butter knives, but stop selling them, there really are only a few uses for knives and no use for Rambo style hunting knives.
I think they have to start with longer custodial sentences for carrying, on the spot 6 months for your first.

There are not many tools for dealing with this and it’s out of control.

Secondly and I agree with what was posted above by sharpened butter knives, but stop selling them, there really are only a few uses for knives and no use for Rambo style hunting knives.

The folk who go walking, craftsmen or any person could possibly show a drivers licence to buy a knife, just something to cut down on the number and type of knives out there.
Kitchen knives? How many of these killings actually use the “Rambo knives” that you are so scared of?
There are millions of knives already out there. How long are you willing to wait for you restrictions to take effect?
The vast cost to the public purse that will ensue as you criminalise all the people who are carrying a knife?
 
#75
Problem there is the Albanians already won that war comprehensively. Take out a few and they'd make no difference, take out enough to open things up they start a war with everyone scrambling for the columbian nod as top dog.

Tbh the only way to win is legalisation. Knacker the whole business model from import to street in one fell swoop. Bugger all chance of it happening though.
Make it legal for pharmacists to sell drugs (but with vat etc added) and have to display the purity rating of anything they sell with a list of additives if not 100% pure, and let the inland revenue loose on the dealers

Treasury gets money, and dealers will find it harder to sell drugs as it will be safer to wander down to your local high street
 
#77
I think the fact that it mostly occurs with those of African decent is a bloody big sign of the root cause and once people can be comfortable to say that, we can focus on the issue.

It maybe also that the 'racist' stereo type of the male leaving numerous single mothers in their wake is actually contributing to the cause, granted single parents and broken homes can happen to any race however in the face of the above, it may be a contributing factor we cannot address due to being racist.

It may also be that immigrants from other countries do not have the same value of life as those in the UK and cannot just simply integrate. You watch these immigrants or displaced in africa packing up and leaving and just walking for days, I know most of the English couldnt do it so they are obviously cut from a different cloth. Until we accept that and can say it without being racist then we will never address anything.

Until you can say all that freely without being branded racist means that any investigation is going to have broad brush findings which will be largely ineffective to ensure that no investigator is branded racist.
 
#78
Kitchen knives? How many of these killings actually use the “Rambo knives” that you are so scared of?
There are millions of knives already out there. How long are you willing to wait for you restrictions to take effect?
The vast cost to the public purse that will ensue as you criminalise all the people who are carrying a knife?
Of course we could just sit here and do nothing whilst more children and young people are murdered, how is that working out Einstein?
 
#79
The Governments own policy on British Values asks us to tolerate, then explains that we also value that which we tolerate... The contradictions in society runs from the top down. and its that contradiction and failure to act out of valuing everything of the other and nothing of our precursor native culture, which is why everything has gone to s**t.

Every excuse, look the other way, soft sentence almost ad infinitum, then draconian prison time. Its all leading to a decline in public order and the further down the hole we fall, the harder it will be for someone to deal with it. I think we are already past the point where to deal with it now would require some form of summary justice as the Philippines has had to do, to regain some measure of control.
 
#80
Problem there is the Albanians already won that war comprehensively. Take out a few and they'd make no difference, take out enough to open things up they start a war with everyone scrambling for the columbian nod as top dog.

Tbh the only way to win is legalisation. Knacker the whole business model from import to street in one fell swoop. Bugger all chance of it happening though.
I'm not sure that legalisation is the answer. It's not as if the Albanians will just say "OK, our whole business model has now been overturned, no money to be made here, let's just pack it all in and go straight"
More likely they'll move on to pushing harder drugs and other risky ways of using their considerable expertise in the illegal marketplace.

TBH. Take a look at how some western nations are combating prostitution (France, Ireland, Sweden etc). They've made the purchase of sex for money illegal. Perversely it's not an offence to sell sex, just to buy it. On the premise that the seller is a victim (even if they don't know it!) it crimps off the demand. Whilst prostitute's trade unions are challenging the legislation using Human Rights to argue that it denies them a right to work - they're not prevented from modelling, web camming or even participating in adult videos - the legislation is likely to stick. As usual, Machiavelli's law of unintended consequences has meant a rise the low budget market adult video market, often with enthusiastic amateur male actors to pay a fee to appear, as opposed to being paid.

So taking the same approach to the drug/knife crime issue would mean harsh sentences for the, largely white, middle class, users who see a bit of charlie as the penultimate course at the weekend dinner party. And Tarquin, who shares a spliff with Vlad at the local park, getting their collars felt. Whereas poor little Leroy, who only ended up dealing/couriering because some gangster beat up some kids who were bullying him at the chicken shop and is now forever in his debt, is treated as a 'victim' with the associated support and guidance to compensate for his wretched upbringing.

And of course it won't affect the illegality of the low-lifes further up the supply chain, who'd still be liable to 10-20 years at Her Majesty's Pleasure
 

Latest Threads

Top