Knife- Carrying Down

#2
Another success story for Gordon. Not quite saving the World but........every little helps.
 
#3
Thats because they are all carrying guns and they dont go on the same target sheet.
 

elovabloke

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#4
This is a police initiative to target specific people and locations over a set period of time. They do not have the time or resources to keep this initiative running indefinitely.
 
#5
Maybe they should go to school, then college, then get decent jobs outside the "hood". These savages go on about respect all the time but they nothing of respect. They know only hate, fear and envy. Self-respect is more important than their pseudo Respec' that means nothing. Absolute scum - I hate them.

Sorry for sitting on the fence.
 

old_fat_and_hairy

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#6
Damn! I thought it was about a 'speshul' school kid with a knife.


But, taking Mr D's point; when I were a plod, we put bobbies out on every beat in the city, on foot and had sector and area cars out too. Booking in a prisoner took a short amount of time, and they were dealt with toward the end of shift, when next relief was about to come on. Pain, but it meant that area coverage was maintained, and though the bean counters always say that one can't quantify preventative policing, it seemed to work.
Having a bobby who knew his area, knew the people and who was likely to be naughty really did keep the problems down. Now there are 'beat managers'. When are we going to realise that policing is not a corporate industry, not a multi-national company and should not be run for the benefit of that company, but for the safety and well-being of the 'shareholders' You and I.
 

BrunoNoMedals

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#7
old_fat_and_hairy said:
When are we going to realise that policing is not a corporate industry, not a multi-national company and should not be run for the benefit of that company, but for the safety and well-being of the 'shareholders' You and I.
When we get someone with common sense in charge.






2030 (not hours) at the earliest.
 

elovabloke

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#8
Mr_Deputy said:
I've just come back from New York and felt safe there - cops all over the place who manage small sectors so know what they are up against and you know there will be a cop about as well. Visible policing.
Came about because of the introduction 10 years ago of TRUE community policing. They achieved it by recruiting a further 10,000 (proper) police into the NYPD.

We introduce community funnies at a reduced salary and wonder why they cannot/will not get stuck in.
 

old_fat_and_hairy

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#9
BrunoNoMedals said:
old_fat_and_hairy said:
When are we going to realise that policing is not a corporate industry, not a multi-national company and should not be run for the benefit of that company, but for the safety and well-being of the 'shareholders' You and I.
When we get someone with common sense in charge.






2030 (not hours) at the earliest.
That's us buggered.
 
#11
old_fat_and_hairy said:
Damn! I thought it was about a 'speshul' school kid with a knife.


But, taking Mr D's point; when I were a plod, we put bobbies out on every beat in the city, on foot and had sector and area cars out too. Booking in a prisoner took a short amount of time, and they were dealt with toward the end of shift, when next relief was about to come on. Pain, but it meant that area coverage was maintained, and though the bean counters always say that one can't quantify preventative policing, it seemed to work.
unfortunatly the police a load more these days specialists etc etc but numbers haven't kept pace.
so who gets lost the bloke on the beat
 
#12
how is the establishment for a police force / district worked out? is it on population size or crime trends in that area? both of those would appear reactive?
 

old_fat_and_hairy

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#13
Danny_Dravot said:
how is the establishment for a police force / district worked out? is it on population size or crime trends in that area? both of those would appear reactive?
Originally it was per capita for the area, and crime trends didn't affect the establishment.
All forces (sorry, services, or branches) have seen huge increases in the last 20 years, but -and this is not a dig at the foot soldiers - the 'management boards' and other very diverse specialist units have eaten up the increase, and like all public bodies, such as NHS, Care and social work etc, the pyramid has become top heavy. To try to clarify what I mean, when local authorities, NHs or such like complain about lack of resources, and have been financially capped, it's always the basic services that get cut. Never the management. Binmen, street sweepers, road menders, nurses, carers all are reduced, but administration and management seem to grow.
 

Longlenny

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#14
What hasn't been stated is that Paddick reported that knife injuries turning up at A & E Depts at hospital were on the increase. Does that mean the figures are being massaged. Surely not???
 
#15
old_fat_and_hairy said:
Damn! I thought it was about a 'speshul' school kid with a knife.
I thought it was about an obscure ground feature on Salisbury Plain.
 
#16
Longlenny said:
What hasn't been stated is that Paddick reported that knife injuries turning up at A & E Depts at hospital were on the increase. Does that mean the figures are being massaged. Surely not???
could be due to more people having "kitchen accidents", also approaching christmas I believe domestic incidents tend to increase (due to the financial stress, the worry of having unpopular relatives to visit ect)
a knife injury isn't allways due to someone being attacked.

but I doubt it, could be that the figures only cover real knives (as opposed to homemade shanks, sharpened bits of metal, modified butter knives ect)
 
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#19
instinct said:
Thats because they are all carrying guns and they dont go on the same target sheet.
No its because officers have been told to crime it as possession of an offensive weapon rather than pos Bladed or sharply pointed article by their bosses.

Keep on juggling the figures. :roll:
 
#20
Heres a funny thing...

Im being paid a lot of money (in comparison to my OH who is a proper copper and my old pals in the forces who are proper soldiers) to train and equip iraqi coppers and soldiers. Now, to me it aint hard... one goes to where the bad folks are and one recruits folk who know them and are reasonably "stand up", one pays them respectably to to a job and then one does a spot of QC... Am I missing the point?

My OH does a 10 hour shift and spends 8 in her office moving paper about. What is that about? The coppers in Ramadi do an 8 hour shift and spend 2 in the office (ok, I know its not the same, but still) is this whole rozzer stuff (like soldiering) not ridiculously common sense?

if there's more coppers on proper money on the street, theres less crime???? FFS!

Admittedly the old barstewards in the courts need to get a grip and start sending a few down for proper crimes and giving some more "creative" sentences for lesser crimes, but still...

If a daft old Bootneck can make a reasonable stand of it in a fledgeling country, why can the clever clogs in London not make a fecking good job of it here?

just a thought....
 

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