kings Royal Rifle Corps.

#1
My fellow ARRSERS...

my grandfather served with the Kings Royal Rifle Corps during WW2. All i know is that he escaped Dunkirk and fought against the Japs and was captured and ended the war as a POW. He was also battalion middleweight champion boxer - nicknamed "spider".

What id like to find out is what battalions fought at dunkirk and then moved onto the far east...

i have no other info about him

any help greatly appreciated.
 
#4
F Company 7 Rifles are descendants of the KRRC. I think they still have a good deal of historic records, Journals etc. Some of the old boys that fought at Calais used to get totally bladdered at the TA centre each november, great bunch, now sadly gone.

F Company are very near Bond Street tube station, give them a call on 0207 629 3674.

BB
 

RP578

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#6
The 2nd Bn, KRRC was pretty much wiped out at the defence of Calais, and one of their Territorial Bns, The Queen Victoria's Rifles didn't fare much better. Along with the 1st Bn, The Rifle Brigade, they were a part of the Green Jacket Bde that fought in France in 1940.

Not sure about any KRRC units in the East, pretty sure all Green Jacket battalions ended up in North Africa, Italy and NW Europe. Maybe he was rebadged after Dunkirk? By the way, if he was a part of 2Bn, KRRC, he was a lucky man to have got out of Calais in 1940. Not many did.

h, the Bucks Bn did fight in France in 1940. Famously delaying the Germans at Hazebrouck before trying to get back to Dunkirk (only about 200 odd made it). They were part of the Oxf & Bucks LI though and not KRRC.

Edited to add: The F Coy, & Rifles that B_B mentions above is a descendent of the QVR which had two battalions during WW2, ostensibly 1 & 2 QVR, but became officially listed as 7th & 8th Bns, KRRC for the duration of the War.
 
#7
KRRC battalions only went as far as the middle east - your Grandad might have been transferred to another unit or maybe went Commando - they had a few units in the far east (1 & 5 Army Commandos - 3 Cdo Bde). I doubt if he went Para as the only unit that saw action wasa Gurkha para bn.
 
#8
The 2nd Bn, KRRC was pretty much wiped out at the defence of Calais, and one of their Territorial Bns, The Queen Victoria's Rifles didn't fare much better. Along with the 1st Bn, The Rifle Brigade, they were a part of the Green Jacket Bde that fought in France in 1940.

Not sure about any KRRC units in the East, pretty sure all Green Jacket battalions ended up in North Africa, Italy and NW Europe. Maybe he was rebadged after Dunkirk? By the way, if he was a part of 2Bn, KRRC, he was a lucky man to have got out of Calais in 1940. Not many did.

h, the Bucks Bn did fight in France in 1940. Famously delaying the Germans at Hazebrouck before trying to get back to Dunkirk (only about 200 odd made it). They were part of the Oxf & Bucks LI though and not KRRC.

Edited to add: The F Coy, & Rifles that B_B mentions above is a descendent of the QVR which had two battalions during WW2, ostensibly 1 & 2 QVR, but became officially listed as 7th & 8th Bns, KRRC for the duration of the War.
also Greece and Crete - 9th Bn KRRC (The Rangers)
 

Pob02

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#9
Edited to add: The F Coy, & Rifles that B_B mentions above is a descendent of the QVR which had two battalions during WW2, ostensibly 1 & 2 QVR, but became officially listed as 7th & 8th Bns, KRRC for the duration of the War.
Further to that G Coy, 7 RIFLES is descendent of The Rangers, who in WWII were officially listed as 9th & 10th Bns, KRRC.
 

RP578

LE
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#10
Further to that G Coy, 7 RIFLES is descendent of The Rangers, who in WWII were officially listed as 9th & 10th Bns, KRRC.
And of course to round it all off, you had 11th & 12th Bns, KRRC (Queen's Westminsters) whose descendents live on at Davies St.
 
#11
Not sure about any KRRC units in the East, pretty sure all Green Jacket battalions ended up in North Africa, Italy and NW Europe. Maybe he was rebadged after Dunkirk? By the way, if he was a part of 2Bn, KRRC, he was a lucky man to have got out of Calais in 1940. Not many did.

I'm also fairly certain that none went into action against the Japanese.

I recall, many years ago, talking to a (then) long serving KRRC WO who spoke of his war-time service in India with his battalion.

One possibility is that they were originally sent to reinforce the India garrison troops before being sent on to North Africa.

I don't know which division/s they were part of in North Africa but that might hold a clue.
 

RP578

LE
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#12
I'm also fairly certain that none went into action against the Japanese.

I recall, many years ago, talking to a (then) long serving KRRC WO who spoke of his war-time service in India with his battalion.

One possibility is that they were originally sent to reinforce the India garrison troops before being sent on to North Africa.

I don't know which division/s they were part of in North Africa but that might hold a clue.
One thing that might jive with that was that between the wars 1 KRRC were stationed in India between 1922-34 and then in Burma from 1934-38. They were shipped to Egypt in 1938 where they were when war broke out.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.krrcassociation.com%2Fhistory%2Fbattalion_locations_1755-1965.pdf&ei=EoqfT-nNIcen8QOy9MDBAQ&usg=AFQjCNFuog5_WWTlNa1iERe9JDJEMbNYIg

This doesn't help much with OP's question, but the list in link above places every KRRC unit in Europe and N.Africa.
 

old_fat_and_hairy

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#13
As an ex Rifle Brigade man I can't offer much help, other than that which has been given already, however I would suggest that you contact the RGJ archivist, Major Ron Cassidy via the Regimental Website, or the museum at Winchester.
Or contact someone on this site.http://www.rgjassociation.info/ and they will be very helpful.
 
#14
Is it possible that he was seconded to another formation? I know of two KRRC men who served with 81st (West African) Division in Burma, as well as another in 11th East African Division. These men often retained their original cap-badge.
 
#15
And of course to round it all off, you had 11th & 12th Bns, KRRC (Queen's Westminsters) whose descendents live on at Davies St.
Don't wish to divert the thread but I have this compass at home (says 2Lt JC Mackenzie, 12th/60th, and 12th KRRC. Compass dated 1917 and case 1916):

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#16
Don't wish to divert the thread but I have this compass at home (says 2Lt JC Mackenzie, 12th/60th, and 12th KRRC. Compass dated 1917 and case 1916):

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BL,

Your 2Lt JC MacKenzie would have served with 12th (Service) Battalion 0f the KRRC (or 60th Rifles - the two designations were frequently used). The unit was raised at Winchester on 21 September 1914 as part of K2 (the second hundred thousand of Kitchener's armies) and attached to 60th Brigade in 20th (Light) Division. Moved to Bisley, going on in November 1914 to Blackdown and February 1915 to billets in Hindhead. Moved to Larkhill on 10 April 1915.
22 July 1915 : landed at Boulogne.

During WW1 The Queen's Westminster Rifles were officially designated 16th Battalion of The London Regiment. They would've had a loose affiliation prior to the war with the KRRC in the form of the regulars supplying personnel in the form of the Adjt and PSIs, etc. But they were officially a battalion of The London Regiment which was Territorial Force only and created in 1908 consisting of 27 battalions.

Post WW1 the TF were reorganised and The London Regiment was disbanded with the battalions formally becoming terrotorial battalions of their affiliated regular units - mainly KRRC, Rifle Brigade, Royal Fusiliers, Middlesex, West Surreys and East Surreys.

Berlin
 
#17
The only battalion of the King's Royal Rifle Corps to serve in France in 1940 was the 2nd, which should have been south of the Somme with 1st Armoured Division but was diverted to Calais and lost there as part of the lash-up 30 Infantry Brigade. No battalion of the regiment served in Burma, or even India. This from Orders of Battle, Second World War 1939-1945 by Lt Col H F Joslen.
 
#19
Threesend,
Was your grandfather an officer or ranker ? If he was an officer he might have been seconded to the 2 Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles) after Dunkirk. They had a close alliance with the KRRC from the Siege of Delhi. Their 2nd Bn was captured in Malaya.

Peeler
 
#20
RP578, fair point. 1st QVR was part of the Corps from 1916. It officially became 7th Bn in March 1941 and remained so until put into suspended animation in April 1943. Reformed January 1947.

As well as 2nd Gurkhas consider 4th Bombay Grenadiers as they provided motor battalions for the Indian armoured formations.
 

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