Killings at Jewish school in France

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I just read about it. Flipping sad.

Soldiers. Jewish kids.....I am most likely completely wrong, but could there be a whole Muslim extremist angle to this? Some here might say, "duh," while others might say the jury is still out.

Just a hunch.
 
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The BBC also tellng me that three French soldiers who "originated from North Africa" where shot in the same area last week,also by a "man on a black motorcycle"
 
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Which makes it look more likely that the killer's a right wing extremist IMO. France has even more of those than we do I think.
Possible but it could be like the CIRA/RIRA/?IRA who have killed a couple of RC constables of the PSNI on some theory that the have "gone over to the enemy" or something like that. I would mention the religious orientation of the people I suspect but do not want to be on ROP's as "a racist".

Nothing will instill fear in the general population more than than attacks on kids.
 
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When I travelled around Israel for a while school outings by law were required to have armed guards, some in plainclothes and some in uniform. I don't know if this was policy but I saw some groups with armed medics (red fleece, medical kit + sidearm).

While I was studying at a university there and went out on tours with other students, we too had armed guards. Some of them were pretty obvious (uniform + sidearm or rifle). Others were in plainclothes. I spoke to one thinking he was a student too and he said "I am security" in English. They stand by the periphery, don't make great conversation, aren't interested in history or socialising :)

The Israeli security model of vetted/profiled soldiers, police officers, security men and (usually off-duty) civilians with guns works. If anyone tries a Mumbai or Oslo-style shooting in Israel they would be shot down PDQ. Most countries have so disarmed their populace that terror or criminal attacks on civilians would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
 
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As I mentioned on the Thread about the killing of French soldiers: take your pick as to potential suspects. The mass murder in Norway last year provided graphic proof, if any more were needed, of just how dangerous a lone, Far Right fanatic could be. The fact that the victims were all black or Jewish certainly makes this a possibility.

On the other hand, Islamic terrorists inspired if not directly connected to AQ and the Taliban would also consider the victims to be, "legitimate targets". The same methods were employed in Mumbai a few years ago. Hit soft targets and get out of the immediate area before the police can respond. Then hit another target somewhere else. This kind of terrorism is cheap and very effective; a suicide bomber, by definition, can only kill once. These type of attacks can go on for days, increasing the impact on the population. To say nothing of the publicity these attacks generate.

Whoever is responsible, one can only hope the French find them quickly and deal with them - in a manner that ensures they never re-offend.
 
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On France24 Deadly shooting at Jewish school in Toulouse
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Link to killings of French soldiers

The shooting on March 15 in nearby Montauban saw two soldiers killed by a gunman riding a scooter.
The soldiers, of the 17th Parachute Engineering Regiment recently returned from operations in Afghanistan, were killed outside their barracks.

Four days before, a soldier from another airborne regiment was killed in Toulouse.

“All the soldiers who were killed were from ethnic minorities,” said Bockman. “So this is looking like a series of racist killings.”

Sarkozy had earlier said, "We are struck by the similarities between the modus operandi of today's drama and those last week."

The French government on Monday called for heightened security at Jewish schools in France, while French soldiers have already been banned from wearing uniform outside their bases.

Meanwhile, according to French daily Le Monde, anti-terrorist prosecutors have taken over the investigations into both the school and soldiers' shootings.
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My bold, all that's mentioned by way of description of the killer is he had a facila scar or tattoo, I infer from that and the assumption of racist motive above he was a white guy. Obviously an antisemite, killing North African soldiers and then some kids and a Rabbi, a Franco-Israeli from Jerusalem, isn't a clear indication of confession in the South of France, old hatreds persist rather widely.
 
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Whoever is responsible, one can only hope the French find them quickly. And put them down.
Sorry Wolfie that is hardly likely to happen now is it,,,The Frogs couldn't even find a white Renault even when they knew the No Plates.......
 
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The Beeb news said that the anti terrorist cops coming down from Paris so that probably means Accueil and the Ministry advising all mil personnel to do what we were doing for decades and to cover up on the outside
 
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Perhaps little Moishe and Chaim were flinging pebbles at an armed, grown man in body armour. Seems excuse enough in other parts of the world for a massacre of children...
 
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The Beeb news said that the anti terrorist cops coming down from Paris so that probably means Accueil and the Ministry advising all mil personnel to do what we were doing for decades and to cover up on the outside
Being of a certain age, I still feel uncomfortable cutting (well, doddering) about in uniform in public places and therefore attempt to avoid it whenever possible. I still shudder thinking back to the PIRA days.

I attended a long, worthy but exceedingly dull security presentation not long ago. We were told an awful lot about how terrorists were poring over our online presence in order to target us. Uncharitably, it occurred to me then that they could save themselves a lot of late nights, ISP charges and electricity bills by hanging round outside the superstore in the nearest garrison town or naval port to wait for the next uniformed person to stroll out with the weekly shop. Sadly, other less well disposed people have now probably had the same thought.
 
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According to one news channel(I forget which one)the first victim was a soldier who had advertised his bike for sail online. The killer made an appointment to view the bike, walked up and shot him. Police are now trying to trace his IP address etc.

And all soldiers in the city have been ordered to wear civilian clothes outside of barracks.

Latest description of the killer is white, overweight and with a scar or tattoo on his face.
 
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Being of a certain age, I still feel uncomfortable cutting (well, doddering) about in uniform in public places and therefore attempt to avoid it whenever possible. I still shudder thinking back to the PIRA days.
I was discussing that with a few muckers the other day (Myself and one other are re-joiners) and the younger ones thought we were crackers, talking about wearing a fleece on top in the car, etc.
I asked during a security briefing about this new-fangled walking around in uniform malarky, making the point that you stil make yourself a target for general nutters/pissed gangs of yoofs on the train, etc., even without the PIRA threat being what it was. I was told that although policy/doctrine/advice is that its to raise our profile, the hofficer I was talking to wouldn't be getting the train home in uniform anytime soon.
I don't think I'll be doing it either. Plus the IRA splinter-types are still offing people, including TA, its just that we don't hear about it on the national news anymore (those two poor lads getting the pizzas in being a notable exception).
 
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Unless you understand our psychic it is very unlikely you will fully comprehend the enormity of the situation. Even we are having trouble getting our heads round what is happening and our authorities are now indicating that the earlier shootings and today’s atrocity are linked (same weapon and same scooter). As is usual here with our love of political debate, we have one section of the political spectrum saying these are anti-Semitic attacks, no they are wrong, very wrong, it is French citizens who have been attacked and killed – religion does not play a part. Thus far people of many races and religions have been killed, the common denominator being they were ALL French citizens. What does not help is Israel playing the race card and attempting to impose its will on our political masters. Sorry we are a secular country, we do not ask or care about an individual’s religion as for my religion – go figure this: I am Pagan/Catholic…………

As for who is carrying out these killings, one thing is for sure it is a person or persons who have a grudge against anyone that does not fit their criteria. Many are questioning if these killings are the prelude to a very messy presidential election season with many of the candidates playing the immigration card. Some are even questioning whether it is the work of a right-wing group, even the Front National or one of its ultra right-wing off-shoots whilst others are questioning whether we are seeing the re-emergence of the OAS (Organisation Armée Secrèt).

Tonight a nationwide manhunt is underway with teams of GM & GIGN becoming involved with a heightened presence in all towns and cities across the country. Even border checks are being carried out at our normally open borders. Add to which prefectural decrees are being issued across the country that permits schools to be allowed military guards.
 
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As is usual here with our love of political debate, we have one section of the political spectrum saying these are anti-Semitic attacks, no they are wrong, very wrong, it is French citizens who have been attacked and killed – religion does not play a part./QUOTE]

It seems quite clear that these were anti-semitic attacks and those last week seem to have been racially motivated. You may think (rightly) that the victims were French citizens but the lunatic who carried out these murders most certainly won't. France has always had an undercurrent of virulent anti-semitism, from the middle ages, through the Dreyfuss affair and then Vichy.
 
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you reap what you sow........

Not a good thing, but these arse-holes dont care about what you and I do...hope the capture the **** soon
 
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Latest(BBC and ITN)is that police are looking for three ex-French Paras who were booted out of the French Army back in 2008 because they had links to neo-Nazis. One of the men had a prominent facial tattoo.
 
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It seems quite clear that these were anti-Semitic attacks and those last week seem to have been racially motivated. You may think (rightly) that the victims were French citizens but the lunatic who carried out these murders most certainly won't.
What is now certain is that these killings are the work of one very deranged individual, someone with a hatred of ALL minorities. This is someone who has taken barbarity to new depths by shooting a defenceless 3-year-old then chasing down a an 8-year-old girl and putting a bullet in her head. This is somebody with a completely different realm of hatred, somebody so deeply disturbed that they possibly have a complex system of self-justification for what hey have done. The question on many peoples lips tonight is: Have we got ourselves a copycat Anders Behring Brevik?

Although I have never been a supporter of capital punishment it is a pity, in this instance, that it was abolished in 1981 and the "National Razor" retired. There again a death sentence is too good for this individual!!!
 

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