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Kids twatting their parents..

That works when they are teenagers with the consequential "it's not faaaaaaaaaiiiiiirrrrr!"
It also only works when you can afford wifi/mobile phones/pocket money.
A smack around the head works on teenagers, that why gangs have a hierarchy, with the hardest normally occupying the top spots.
 

anglo

LE
That works when they are teenagers with the consequential "it's not faaaaaaaaaiiiiiirrrrr!" Kevin & Perry routine that follows. Unfortunately you can't reason with a 3-5 year old and that's the point the short sharp smack works after fair warning. Boundaries are then set.

My 2 are typical teenage girls. The elder can be controlling of her younger sister and youngest reacts by being passive-aggressive which takes a fair bit of nipping in the bud which I leave to Domestic 0A because that's easier and the better dynamic when it comes to teenage girls. What we try and be is consistent, and that's the key. If each parent tries to behave differently or plays their differences of opinion out in front of the kids then that's when the trouble starts.

My niece on the other hand.... my in-laws are amazed that whenever she is with us she is no drama, but at home she is demon-child. That's largely due to my SIL being a wokey push-over who has all kinds of faddish diet ideas that constantly change, all kinds of faddish parenting notions and BIL half the time confused about what the rules are today to even try and keep up so he just says yes all the time. As he's away a lot with his job niece gets subjected to gluten-free, non-sugar, no dairy free-range slop she won't eat which results in tantrums, melt-downs, and then being presented with other non-dairy sugar-free options, so she's learned to keep kicking off until she gets what she wants (which always ends up with ham and eggs, but has to be presented in a certain way or she won't eat it). BIL comes home, dinner on table, niece kicks off, gets chips and pizza to keep her quiet, parents row, niece sits on her phone/switch/iPad. Try and take those off her, get her to go to bed on time, and again, tantrums that turn to slappy-kicky-scratch fests and they try and "gently reason with her as a burgeoning adult". She comes to us, she eats what she is given or goes hungry and goes to bed when told. 30 seconds of confusion as the "why won't Aunty Woopert just give in" before the penny drops and dinner is eaten, rewarded with a few treats, then bed. Thankfully she is an only child because my SIL has a sister who was (and still is) clearly favoured by her parents and that leads to a whole other story of f*cked-up.

The fact is parents make a rod for their own backs by just not being consistent and trying to follow the advice of some Yank quack who wrote a book ignoring the inconvenient truth of how their own sporn turned into self-indulgent train wrecks because of the faddish parenting they promote in their parenting books.
You mean this chap,

Benjamin Spock

 

Chef

LE
You're right he did.
Ta for the confirmation. I never had much time for childcare experts so wasn't sure if it was my dislike of the man's 'expertise' at work.
 
It also only works when you can afford wifi/mobile phones/pocket money.
A smack around the head works on teenagers, that why gangs have a hierarchy, with the hardest normally occupying the top spots.
It will also get you arrested these days , even if they are your kids ,and rightly so , bullying twat parents turn their kids in either nervous wrecks or psychopaths.
 
It will also get you arrested these days , even if they are your kids ,and rightly so , bullying twat parents turn their kids in either nervous wrecks or psychopaths.

Of course, because a clip around the ear is exactly the same as stamping on a childs head repeatly.
 
Of course, because a clip around the ear is exactly the same as stamping on a childs head repeatly.
A clip round the ear is still assault , if you dont believe me try it in the supermarket the next time a minor annoys you.
If you cant back hand misbehaving adults why should you be able to back hand kids ?
 

Themanwho

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A clip round the ear is still assault , if you dont believe me try it in the supermarket the next time a minor annoys you.
If you cant back hand misbehaving adults why should you be able to back hand kids ?
You can, you just need to be on your heels rapid.
 
A clip round the ear is still assault , if you dont believe me try it in the supermarket the next time a minor annoys you.
If you cant back hand misbehaving adults why should you be able to back hand kids ?

You should be able to back hand both imho.

The reason why have so many gobby little fkers is because they've never had any consequence for their actions and no-one has ever stood up to them (or haven't been allowed to).

I don't condone beating someone senseless, it depends entirely on the context. If the kid starts getting violent towards the mum or starts swearing and smashing things up then a wallop can add an entirely new perspective to life.

That bad lads army that was on telly a few years ago would have worked for all the bad lads had the corporal and Sgt been allowed to lock them up for a week with bread and water or give them the occasional slap of encouragement.

Children can't be educated though fear, but they can be disciplined.
 
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3 sons, 1 daughter, I only really ever applied one rule without exception or appeal....never swear at your mother or else. It is a good generic position to take, covers a multitude of sins without having to get bogged down in details and almost always leaves the little sods with their tits in the wringer.
 
Never had any problems disciplining my lad, I never had to lay a finger on him. Just shot him the glance which said "enough!" Actions have consequences. He gave me a mouthful in return once, I removed the plugs from his electrical items for a week - no games, computer, TV, no charger for his phone. He was told any repetition and the plugs would be removed for 2 weeks! He never gave me any trouble after that. ;)
 

miner69er

Old-Salt
SIL works for CAMHS service and its truly shocking some of the things she professes to observe about how children behave - or not. As is rightly said a lot of it boils down to parental influences or as my Dad used to say 'Sh1te breeds Sh1te' .
 
A clip round the ear is still assault , if you dont believe me try it in the supermarket the next time a minor annoys you.
If you cant back hand misbehaving adults why should you be able to back hand kids ?

You don't put kids in jail for beating up another kid, but you generally put adults in prison for beating up another adult.
If you can jail adults why can't you jail kids?
Oh that right, because they are completely different, but you knew that didn't you?
 
Because you have to be an adult to go to jail .

Its almost as if there are different consequences eh? Which is why adults dont get a smack.
 

giatttt

Old-Salt
The reason why have so many gobby little fkers is because they've never had any consequence for their actions and no-one has ever stood up to them (or haven't been allowed to).
15 years ago I was on the board of the local primary school, the headmistress was reporting that the cycling proficiency week was coming up and was not looking to the fallout. In explanation she said that for the P7 children who failed this would be the first time in their lives that someone had said that they couldn't have something (a badge).

She managed this fallout by refusing to let those who passed wear their badges to school. Society as a whole suffers from this spineless approach.
 

giatttt

Old-Salt
On the other hand we have children locally whose parents are only 14 years older than them, with grandparents under 30 and great grandparents who are not eligible for a pension. I doubt any of those seniors have any respect for any form of discipline unless it is likely to affect their benefits.
 

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