Khyber pass copy martini rifles

#1
I'm currently in afghanistan and have access to a stock of these I am posting to see if there is anybody out there interested in purchasing any.

Khyber pass copies are roughly made handmade copies of martini-enfield rifles Their resale value is limited and i would not recommend trying to fire one. However they are nice interest pieces.

So I'm looking into the legalities and practicalities of bringing more than one back at the moment If the interest level is high enough and it is cost effective to do so.

Anybody interested can either post or pm me
 
#3
from what i've been told i can get it cleared where i am however not sure on the practicalities of getting a number out if the interest is there

plus it has to be cost effective for me
 
#5
Best of luck.
john
I have seen a 'Perfect' copy of a Martini carbine, made by a person in UK.
An old engineer and it was a work of art.
Done to show just what Brit backyard enginnering can do.
 
#6
Are they .577/450 or are they .303 chambered?

If they are .303 not only are they illegal but also very dangerous.

Is there anyone out there qualified to satisfy the current UK deactivation laws.

If they are 577/450 they don't need deactivating nor to be held on an FAC unless the owners intention is to fire it.
 
#7
I'm in the process of finding this out the one i have at the moment is stamped as a martini enfield so likely to be .303 also this one may be an original as it appears machine made with correct markings but I'm still researching it
 
#8
Easy way to find out -- get a ruler and measure across the end of the barrel. If it's around 0.3 inch, it's 303, if it is around 0.45 inch, it's .577/450. To check and be absolutely sure, open the breech. If you can stick your finger in, it's .577/450, and I want one.
 
#9
If you want to make a good business without legal complications, bring back a shed-load of old Lee Enfield woodwork - particularly forends for Long Lees and No1 mkIIIs with the volley sight plates. Theres a Khyber industry in making fake Enfields but incorporating genuine parts - its work buying the crap rifles and stripping them for the Brit parts.....


Edited to comment that I can't believe I got away with typing the word "crap"... the filters must be having Sunday off....
 
#10
Try this link for Info. if still .303 you must have a firearm certificate with a space for a .303 to bring it back for personal import. bring in more and you will need a Department fo Trade and industry import licence. the guns would then have to be sumitted to British Proof house and proof fired. If they fail then it would be your loss and they could only De-activated and sold deactivation needs to be submitted to the proof house as well which is about £45 per gun plus import duty etc. not worth the hassle. http://www.martinihenry.com/khyberpage.html
 
#11
Isn't there a town almost totally devoted to gunmaking in a sort of cottage industry style?

Darra El Kebar or something similar? Perhaps it's on the Pakistani side of the border though?

Surely they would be willing to manufacture them as decorators (i.e. solid barrrels, no firing pin or whatever), they'd probably be cheaper due to the simpilfied construction.
 
#12
Not somewhere you could stroll up too for an impromtu looksee though.

Might find yourself in hot water.........
 
#13
#14
I suspect that a lot of the value in these things will be due to the type of markings shown on them; by this I am referring to a rifle with a date of 1932 and Queen Victoria's cypher on it, or a serial No with say, "9" on it's side!
All this aside it has been suggested that some of the current crop of items appearing have been made to accomadate the large number of troops in the region and do not have the air of "quality" ?!? 8O about them that they did some 80 years ago.
And like all things in life price has to play it's part, I bought a superb looking Martini Henry MkVI from Fultons about two years ago for £775 (Nepealse marked) and since then a number of Nepalese marked rifles have been found in Nepal, sold to the USA market and are now filtering their way back, I have seen them dependent on condition from £500~£699.
A good bit of history I suppose, but at a price.
 

ugly

LE
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#15
Not the sort of price you'd want to risk firing it?
 
#16
I don't imagine anyone has ever managed to blow up a Martini-Henry, they are incredibly strong.

At a recent Holts' auction they had a M-H converted into a harpoon gun. The spear bit was a massive chunk of metal weighing I'd guess around 15 lbs. Don't know what cartridge it used, but it must have been similar to a 50 cal. The receiver was just a commercial M-H rifle item....
 
#17
No one should knock the M-H; in the hands of a skilled shooter it can work wonders.

The British Alpine Rifles hold an annual club shoot, known as the 'Agincourt', at the end of the Imperial Meeting; English versus the French- if the Frogs win they get to call it the 'Orleans', being the only victory they can come up with. :lol:

The form of the match is thus; using a standard unmodified service rifle, pre 1945- standing at 300yds

Start with the rifle unloaded- clips, magazines or chargers holding no more than 5 rounds.

You have 1 minute to fire a total of 15 rounds onto a Fig. 11. Scoring is 5-4-3-2 from the centre box.

One of our members used an original .577/.450 M-H and managed a score of 15 points- Damn good handling drills and pretty fair shooting in my book! 8)

(I believe that he used NDFS cases, in case anyone wonders where the ammo came from- lovely smell of black powder and a belt on the nose from your right thumb knuckle every time you fire!)
 
#18
Spoke to the RMP's today their RSM has 10 of things in his house, I will have to get form for each one and submit photos to PJHQ to get certificates.

My biggest issue at the moment is if i get this thing off the ground is getting them home as i will have to carry them on the flight myself.

edited to add these are mostly martini enfields so .303 will look into the situatution through J1 and RMP's tomorrow
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#19
The only problem with these is that tnone of them have seen a factory inspection let alone proof. Firing something like that (and I mean something made in Darra from steel of dubious strength, recycled from tractor sumps) is something I'm personally not a fan of. I would without hesitation fire all of my current MH rifles with factory ammo. They are all in proof and are all safe, thats all 6 of them. The beauty of the british gun trade was that these rifles were strong beyond belief for the cartridges avaiable at that time. You can generally spot the copies as the have incorrct crown cyphers, VR for a GR date etc or letters and or numbers inextricably stamped backwards. These rifles make great wall hangers and even in .303 could be held off ticket with a certificate of inability to Proof. Whether the Home office and your local plod would buy that is another matter. I would rather they were sold as collecting only here in the UK with perhaps minimum deactivation of a sympathetic manner carried out than some poor soul killing himself on the point. Leave the firing of Historic arms to those in proof, a legal and wholly sensible requirement, laid down in most if not all range regs and eremember the proof act was put there for the protection of the public!
I having seen Darras finest would like a copy, I have a rack on my wall crying out for one. If not that then a nice Rook and Rabbit calibre by a provincial maker on a tyrade action would suffice, Dear Santa!
 
#20
ugly is very much on the mark here i strongly recommend not trying to fire these rifles as even the originals out here haven't exactly been well looked after. The Afghans aren't exactly big on antique collecting so these haven't been grease wrapped in the attic as such.
 

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