Khan looks for new voters

I think you must have misread my post. I agreed it was better for you to bug out not continue to demonstrate further ignorance and then demean yourself by squealing wacist.

For the avoidance of doubt -

Postal voting block corruption is a problem among certain muslim communities, mainly Bengali and Pakistani. It is routed in their corrupt practices in the subcontinent.

It is not among whites, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews, blacks etc.

The person getting elected is not the issue, the voter base being controlled as a block and thus enabling corruption is. So it's perfectly possible for Muslim mps to be completely legitimately elected. Equally it's possible for the corrupt practice to elect non-Muslims. George Galloway for example.

There is zero evidence of white peoples postal votes being harvested for block voting by 'community leaders' because it does not happen.

There is zero evidence of black peoples postal votes being harvested for block voting by 'community leaders' because it does not happen.

Hence when you see the likes of Lammy and Abbott in action they are always going on about 'black issues'. It's onesided obviously but they wear their 'we're going into bat for you' credentials on their sleeve publicly as they are looking for individual votes.

Corrupt politicians relying on block votes just do the deals behind closed doors and when the deal is suitably favourable to the block the instruction gets passed down the line.

As a LBTH resident with extensive contacts within THLP including those who were instrumental in exposing this stuff I do know what I am talking about, hence I don't discuss issues of corruption with reference to GLA regulations as that's as pointless as saying 'drug dealing is illegal so how can you say it exists'.

Have a pleasant evening and respond if you have anything useful to add. (But wacist is neither true or useful btw).
Alright, Fair one. I withdraw the accusation.

However, you were the one one who stated that the issue of postal vote fraud was not related to the nature of the election when I questioned the fact that the original point of this thread is related to the Mayoral / Assembly elections.

You may feel that the current Mayor is inherently corrupt. Fine, produce the evidence.

You may believe that the practices exposed a decade ago in a single London Borough (and dealt with by the criminal justice system appropriately) represent an endemic corruption in a particular demographic across all electoral constituencies. Fine, produce the evidence.

I am not talking about GLA "regulations". As a London Voter, you will be aware that what TH, RBKC, City of Westminster etc get up is their own business and is only directed from the GLA in terms of strategic direction on effectively national level devolved policy issues and this does not include the running of their electoral processes - which is overseen by the electoral commission.

So my question remains: If there is no difference between a local, regional/devolved or national election in terms of their susceptibility to electoral fraud why are you relying on the evidence of a single case that happened 10 years ago to support this assertion?

I understand that you may tell me to do my own research, but (despite your statements that I know fuck all about any of it) I have done quite a lot - for professional reasons.

I am calling you out on what, as far as I can make out, is opinion (in lieu of evidence outside of TH, which I am aware of) relating to widespread (and potentially international) corruption in every part of all the electoral processes of the UK and would genuinely appreciate a link or two.

P.S. I also note that all you seem to have a certain political bent towards the individuals you have mentioned. I am not judging but could this be a factor?
 
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Alright, Fair one. I withdraw the accusation.

However, you were the one one who stated that the issue of postal vote fraud was not related to the nature of the election when I questioned the fact that the original point of this thread is related to the Mayoral / Assembly elections.

You may feel that the current Mayor is inherently corrupt. Fine, produce the evidence.

You may believe that the practices exposed a decade ago in a single London Borough (and dealt with by the criminal justice system appropriately) represent an endemic corruption in a particular demographic across all electoral constituencies. Fine, produce the evidence.

I am not talking about GLA "regulations". As a London Voter, you will be aware that what TH, RBKC, City of Westminster etc get up is their own business and is only directed from the GLA in terms of strategic direction on effectively national level devolved policy issues and this does not include the running of their electoral processes - which is overseen by the electoral commission.

So my question remains: If there is no difference between a local, regional/devolved or national election in terms of their susceptibility to electoral fraud why are you relying on the evidence of a single case that happened 10 years ago to support this assertion?

I understand that you may tell me to do my own research, but (despite your statements that I know fuck all about any of it) I have done quite a lot - for professional reasons.

I am calling you out on what, as far as I can make out, is opinion (in lieu of evidence outside of TH, which I am aware of) relating to widespread (and potentially international) corruption in every part of all the electoral processes of the UK and would genuinely appreciate a link or two.

P.S. I also note that all you seem to have a certain political bent towards the individuals you have mentioned. I am not judging but could this be a factor?
You may wish to familiarise yourself with the ‘biraderi system’.
 
That's rather a rediculous and mute point, considering that both Javid and Patel, were voted in as MPs by overwelmingly white constituencies. If you believe that there isn't a problem with the postal voting system, in certain areas of the country, then you are a fool.
Perhaps, but I am a fool that requires evidence, not "belief" in order to form my opinions. I think your implication that there can't possibly be electoral fraud if it involves white people demands further scrutiny but maybe for another time.

Anyway, back to the point: Got any evidence (in the context of this discussion, outside of Tower Hamlets)? Or is this just another case of "everyone knows that. Innit"?
 
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You may wish to familiarise yourself with the ‘biraderi system’.
Familiar Thanks. Especially in the case of Bradford. Not aware of any specific issues related to postal vote fraud as per S11Blades arguments. Happy to be educated if you know different.
 
Familiar Thanks. Especially in the case of Bradford.
Well google should provide you a wealth of evidence, as you have stated you require. Bradford gets a fair decent mention too...on a British Asian network link, so you can hardly claim bias. In fact, the majority of links on Google’s first page of hits are from quite reputable sources...I’ve just checked.

So, where were we...you require evidence postal voter fraud is rife amongst a certain demograph?

Bradford is outside Tower Hamlets too ;)
 
Well google should provide you a wealth of evidence, as you have stated you require. Bradford gets a fair decent mention too...on a British Asian network link, so you can hardly claim bias. In fact, the majority of links on Google’s first page of hits are from quite reputable sources...I’ve just checked.

So, where were we...you require evidence postal voter fraud is rife amongst a certain demograph?

Bradford is outside Tower Hamlets too ;)
Yeah, but besides Bradford and Tower Hamlets, where is the evidence that there is widespread voter fraud by a certain minority demographic group?
 
Well google should provide you a wealth of evidence, as you have stated you require. Bradford gets a fair decent mention too...on a British Asian network link, so you can hardly claim bias. In fact, the majority of links on Google’s first page of hits are from quite reputable sources...I’ve just checked.

So, where were we...you require evidence postal voter fraud is rife amongst a certain demograph?

Bradford is outside Tower Hamlets too ;)
yeah, that was definitely a forlorn hope, in terms of an argument - well played. I'll stop now:oops:
 
Yeah, but besides Bradford and Tower Hamlets, where is the evidence that there is widespread voter fraud by a certain minority demographic group?
Sadly The Electoral Commission is powerless entity.It has no resources, or motivation to investigate allegations of fraud. They are also very keen to avoid confrontation or areas with large ethnic populations for fear of being labelled racists.
They do however produce reports and lots of pie charts to tell us they are doing a excellent job.They are not.
 
Sadly The Electoral Commission is powerless entity.It has no resources, or motivation to investigate allegations of fraud. They are also very keen to avoid confrontation or areas with large ethnic populations for fear of being labelled racists.
They do however produce reports and lots of pie charts to tell us they are doing a excellent job.They are not.
Nah. That's just a right wing conspiracy. Everyone knows that the Electoral Commission are on the ball. Just look at the way that they responded to allegations against the far-right Brexit Party.
 
Alright, Fair one. I withdraw the accusation.

However, you were the one one who stated that the issue of postal vote fraud was not related to the nature of the election when I questioned the fact that the original point of this thread is related to the Mayoral / Assembly elections.

You may feel that the current Mayor is inherently corrupt. Fine, produce the evidence.

You may believe that the practices exposed a decade ago in a single London Borough (and dealt with by the criminal justice system appropriately) represent an endemic corruption in a particular demographic across all electoral constituencies. Fine, produce the evidence.

I am not talking about GLA "regulations". As a London Voter, you will be aware that what TH, RBKC, City of Westminster etc get up is their own business and is only directed from the GLA in terms of strategic direction on effectively national level devolved policy issues and this does not include the running of their electoral processes - which is overseen by the electoral commission.

So my question remains: If there is no difference between a local, regional/devolved or national election in terms of their susceptibility to electoral fraud why are you relying on the evidence of a single case that happened 10 years ago to support this assertion?

I understand that you may tell me to do my own research, but (despite your statements that I know fuck all about any of it) I have done quite a lot - for professional reasons.

I am calling you out on what, as far as I can make out, is opinion (in lieu of evidence outside of TH, which I am aware of) relating to widespread (and potentially international) corruption in every part of all the electoral processes of the UK and would genuinely appreciate a link or two.

P.S. I also note that all you seem to have a certain political bent towards the individuals you have mentioned. I am not judging but could this be a factor?
Thanks for the racist retraction.

LBTH is afaik the only place where this has been fully exposed. It was not exposed by diligent policing. It was not exposed by the electoral commission. It was exposed by whistle blowers within THLP who had enough of the corruption. These are people I know through my good lady and some I now regard as good mates despite our politics being very different. So what I know is very different to your google results.

Does that occur across the nation? Clearly not as it requires a controllable muslim block to work. Are all areas with large muslim populations controllable? Likely not as many constituencies have diametrically opposed muslim population groups. However in areas with large muslim populations of broadly the same stripe is it likely to be a current issue? Absolutely. And the recipient local Labour party not having blown the whistle is not proof it is not happening.

All of which comes back to Khan. Why would he be the first afaik (stand to be corrected if others have) high profile incumbent politician to directly call for a drive not to register to vote, which many have done, but specifically to register to postal vote when it is a proven enabler of biraderi?

As per my original post, corrupt or an idiot.
 
As per my original post, corrupt or an idiot.
I concede. Fair points well argued with evidence presented.

I would lean towards the latter explanation (or at least some very dubious advice / decision making).

I can't see the man staying in post after this election anyway.
 

Actingunpaid

Clanker
There was widespread postal vote fraud in Birmingham council elections in 2004/5.Guess which minority was involved.The same community who never get told off for escorting their wives to the voting booth.Yes,I have seen it happen and complained to the Labour committee issuing the voter slips.'It's cos they don't speak or read English'!
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
There was widespread postal vote fraud in Birmingham council elections in 2004/5.Guess which minority was involved.The same community who never get told off for escorting their wives to the voting booth.Yes,I have seen it happen and complained to the Labour committee issuing the voter slips.'It's cos they don't speak or read English'!
Then one wonders how they're in any way equipped to vote.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
There was widespread postal vote fraud in Birmingham council elections in 2004/5.Guess which minority was involved.The same community who never get told off for escorting their wives to the voting booth.Yes,I have seen it happen and complained to the Labour committee issuing the voter slips.'It's cos they don't speak or read English'!
Would it be against a law to make proficiency in the official language a prerequisite of voting ?
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Would it be against a law to make proficiency in the official language a prerequisite of voting ?
I can't see why it shouldn't be.

Stick me in a voting booth in - oh, say, Pakistan. I don't speak the language, I don't know the candidates or what they stand for.

How the hell am I in any way able to make an informed decision?
 

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