Kevin B overspill and dribble

#1
KevinB said:
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As a low level activist unconnected with the RA
Who are the "RA" ? there is no such thing as the Republican Army, there is however a terrorist group known as the IRA.

It's like you were trying to make a terrorist group sound like a legitimate Army.
 
#2
drain_sniffer said:
But Kevin, by collecting for the cause, condoning such actions was exactly what you where doing.
No, it is not. As I said, I was not privy to such info in any detail, but I know that some of the money did go to community based work in republican areas, and some no doubt went towards ops against security forces, RUC, political enemies etc.

The overall goal was one I believed in, if not always the way tactics were implemented.
 
#3
KevinB said:
drain_sniffer said:
But Kevin, by collecting for the cause, condoning such actions was exactly what you where doing.
No, it is not. As I said, I was not privy to such info in any detail, but I know that some of the money did go to community based work in republican areas, and some no doubt went towards ops against security forces, RUC, political enemies etc.

The overall goal was one I believed in, if not always the way tactics were implemented.
So you blindly raised money in the belief it would only be used for good things?
You lived in Northern Ireland, you were/are involved with Sinn Fein but claim to have believed the money was for nice things?
 
#4
jagman said:
KevinB said:
drain_sniffer said:
But Kevin, by collecting for the cause, condoning such actions was exactly what you where doing.
No, it is not. As I said, I was not privy to such info in any detail, but I know that some of the money did go to community based work in republican areas, and some no doubt went towards ops against security forces, RUC, political enemies etc.

The overall goal was one I believed in, if not always the way tactics were implemented.
So you blindly raised money in the belief it would only be used for good things?
You lived in Northern Ireland, you were/are involved with Sinn Fein but claim to have believed the money was for nice things?
Did I say that? No.
I said that I know some of it did go to helping our communities, some went towards ops against security forces, and some towards ops that I didn't condone.
 
#5
Mighty_doh_nut said:
I've learnt alot from this thread
Serious question : What have you learnt ?
 
#6
KevinB said:
drain_sniffer said:
But Kevin, by collecting for the cause, condoning such actions was exactly what you where doing.
No, it is not. As I said, I was not privy to such info in any detail, but I know that some of the money did go to community based work in republican areas, and some no doubt went towards ops against security forces, RUC, political enemies etc.

The overall goal was one I believed in, if not always the way tactics were implemented.
I think this will be one of those sticking points. I believe that collecting money knowing that, as you said, that some of it would go towards "ops" and having seen the PIRA "Doctrine", you are condoning the "Doctrine" and therefore condoning the murders. But I guess we will always disagree on that one.

One question I have asked a few times, yet no one has yet seen fit to answer is - Did the end justify the means? Was it, in your opinion, worth it?

Also if I may, I would be interested in knowing if attitudes towards you changed following 9/11?
 
#7
KevinB said:
I said that I know some of it did go to helping our communities, some went towards ops against security forces, and some towards ops that I didn't condone.
In a nut shell You knew that the IRA would use some of your money to kill innocent men, women and children and you still kept on giving money and aid.

I don't have to call you names because what you are is revealed in that answer above.
 
#8
drain_sniffer said:
I think this will be one of those sticking points. I believe that collecting money knowing that, as you said, that some of it would go towards "ops" and having seen the PIRA "Doctrine", you are condoning the "Doctrine" and therefore condoning the murders. But I guess we will always disagree on that one.

One question I have asked a few times, yet no one has yet seen fit to answer is - Did the end justify the means? Was it, in your opinion, worth it?

Also if I may, I would be interested in knowing if attitudes towards you changed following 9/11?
I wish things could have been different - I wish the civil rights movement in the sixties had been successful, but it was not - and I cannot describe to you in words the hatred and the violence it caused against us - those dirty taigs daring to want a say in things. Maybe if there had been an exceptional person, as Gandhi, to lead us, it could have been different.

So, on the whole, yes, I do think it was worth it - that the end did justify the means. I would have done some things differently, but had no input, being only political.

Well, many Americans still give to Cairde Sinn Féin, if that answers your question.
 
#9
TwentyBandH said:
Mighty_doh_nut said:
I've learnt alot from this thread
Serious question : What have you learnt ?
That certain people can post sensibly and provoke thought, this thread alone has seen me receive 12 PMs to press saying they are chuffed its being discussed in such a manner.

Some are just parrots repeat the same shite we don't want / need to hear, but despite the being asked not to, for just one thread they can't help themselves.
 
#10
KevinB said:
if there had been an exceptional person, as Gandhi, to lead us, it could have been different.
He'd have looked a fcuker trotting over the fields of South Armagh with flip flops and an Armalite. :D
 
#11
KevinB........ serious question, how do you view Martin Mcguiness and Gerry Adams?
 
#12
KevinB said:
drain_sniffer said:
I think this will be one of those sticking points. I believe that collecting money knowing that, as you said, that some of it would go towards "ops" and having seen the PIRA "Doctrine", you are condoning the "Doctrine" and therefore condoning the murders. But I guess we will always disagree on that one.

One question I have asked a few times, yet no one has yet seen fit to answer is - Did the end justify the means? Was it, in your opinion, worth it?

Also if I may, I would be interested in knowing if attitudes towards you changed following 9/11?
I wish things could have been different - I wish the civil rights movement in the sixties had been successful, but it was not - and I cannot describe to you in words the hatred and the violence it caused against us - those dirty taigs daring to want a say in things. Maybe if there had been an exceptional person, as Gandhi, to lead us, it could have been different.

So, on the whole, yes, I do think it was worth it - that the end did justify the means. I would have done some things differently, but had no input, being only political.

Well, many Americans still give to Cairde Sinn Féin, if that answers your question.
Well, at least you have been honest. I personally believe that you are just as guilty as any of the cowards who planted the bombs. If you believe that the murder of passers by in Warrington was worth it, then it contradicts most of what you have written before. You saying "I had no input, is no different to the the Nazi "I was only following orders." A united Ireland doesn't exist, and I don't believe it ever will.
 
#13
Mighty_doh_nut said:
KevinB........ serious question, how do you view Martin Mcguiness and Gerry Adams?
I am more familiar with Martin McGuinness' rep being from Derry. He is known as a ruthless operator whom you do not want to ever cross, a man utterly and fanatically dedicated to the cause, despite foolish rumours of him being a tout.

Adams is the brains behind it all though. Without Gerry, we would not sit at Stormont today.
 
#14
KevinB said:
Mighty_doh_nut said:
KevinB........ serious question, how do you view Martin Mcguiness and Gerry Adams?
I am more familiar with Martin McGuinness' rep being from Derry. He is known as a ruthless operator whom you do not want to ever cross, a man utterly and fanatically dedicated to the cause, despite foolish rumours of him being a tout.

Adams is the brains behind it all though. Without Gerry, we would not sit at Stormont today.
How do you feel about them being Murderers and ordering the murders of civilians when serving as Brigade commanders?
 
#15
Mighty_doh_nut said:
KevinB said:
Mighty_doh_nut said:
KevinB........ serious question, how do you view Martin Mcguiness and Gerry Adams?
I am more familiar with Martin McGuinness' rep being from Derry. He is known as a ruthless operator whom you do not want to ever cross, a man utterly and fanatically dedicated to the cause, despite foolish rumours of him being a tout.

Adams is the brains behind it all though. Without Gerry, we would not sit at Stormont today.
How do you feel about them being Murderers and ordering the murders of civilians when serving as Brigade commanders?
I cannot pass judgement on them, as I have no firsthand knowledge of who ordered what.
 
#16
But if you were shown evidence of them ordering the murder of civilians how would you react?

As a Brigade Commander in an area such as Londonderry what do you assume his job would have been?

Would you describe Martin Mcguiness as a former terrorist?
 
#17
Kevin, you don't have to reply to this but I would like you to give it some thought.

Have any of your family ever contracted cancer and perhaps did they unfortunately die from that disease?

Your money went towards the PIRA murder of the brilliant AUSTRALIAN cancer specialist Prof. Gordon Hamilton Fairley who headed up cancer research in the 70's. He is believed to have been on the cusp of a breakthrough in cancer treatment which would have saved countless lives all round the world. If you have had relatives who have died of cancer do you regret funding the organisation that killed the man who might have saved them?
 
#18
Mighty_doh_nut said:
But if you were shown evidence of them ordering the murder of civilians how would you react?
Would depend on who it was, I suppose. Were they touts, dangerous political operatives, informers? Not all 'civilians' are innocent bystanders.
 
#19
Just a civilian, guilty of nothing other than being a Protestant.

How would you judge him?

Would you still support Sinn Fein knowing that the two most high profile members and leaders were guilty of murdering or ordering the murder of purely innocent civilians?
 
#20
Mighty_doh_nut said:
Just a civilian, guilty of nothing other than being a Protestant.

How would you judge him?

Would you still support Sinn Fein knowing that the two most high profile members and leaders were guilty of murdering purely innocent civilians?
I have said before I do not condone murdering innocent people. If I had been in charge, that is one thing I would not have done - or, had I felt it absolutely necessary - would have established a far better warning system to minimise fatalities.

But, regarding Adams and McGuinness, I cannot answer hypotheticals regarding them.
 

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