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Kens at it again

#3
That bloke is a cnut of the highest order. The only reason he EVER got voted in was because our once proud Capital City is now jam packed with just the people this tw@t sucks up to. The bloke is a fcuking loon.....& I hate him. I hate his weasally looks,the sound of his voice,his attitude,his smarmyness.... I could go on.....but I won,t.

LT.
 
#5
The mayor attacked US ambassador Robert Tuttle after vowing he is prepared to go to court to make embassy staff pay the charge on vehicles entering central London.

However, the embassy argued it is a local tax which, under the Vienna Convention, does not apply to foreign diplomats.

But Mr Livingstone said: "It would actually be quite nice if the American ambassador in Britain could pay the charge that everybody else is paying and not actually try and skive out of it like some chiselling little crook."
It is clearly an insulting remark.

Mr.Livingston should read Vienna convention about diplomatic relations

http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf

Aricle 1
...
(e) A “diplomatic agent” is the head of the mission or a member of the diplomatic staff of the mission;
...
Article 29
The person of a diplomatic agent shall be inviolable. He shall not be liable to any form of arrest or detention. The receiving State shall treat him with due respect and shall take all appropriate steps to prevent any attack on his person, freedom or dignity.
...
Article 34
A diplomatic agent shall be exempt from all dues and taxes, personal or real, national, regional or municipal, except:...
There are some exceptions. But mr.Livingstone should clearly mention concrete exception. Personally I don't see one that fit this case.

By the way Met.Police is unaware about Vienna convention too

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3919079.stm

The Rossiyskaya Gazeta informs its readers of another faux pas; the "frisking" of Russian senator, Mikheil Margelov, by London police.
...
"London apologizes to Margelov. The Federation Council's main international politician, who was searched like a terrorist, has once again seen for himself the unpredictability of western democracy"
Mr.Margelov was invited by British parliament and was accompanied by a representative of Foregn Office who confirmed his diplomatic status and immunity from any form of detention. But policmen performed body search and even asked mr.Magelov some humiliating questions.
 
#6
The C Charge isn't a tax, it's a toll.

I'm fairly sure (from when this first raised it's ugly head last year) that Diplomats in the US still have to pay road tolls.
 
#7
He is a magnet for stupidity. I do believe that he has ideas above his station and that being Mayor of London allows him to conduct himself in such an arrogant manner.

You Sir, are a cnut!
 
#9
With the amount of fiddles, sneaky ways of avoiding paying for anything possible and claiming for stuff, I am surprised that anyone either in local, national or european government have the complete hypocrisy to comment on stuff like this!
 
#10
The US ambasador is being a bit cheeky. The charge is to me quite patently not a tax. Does he expect to travel on the bus for free too?

Well, OK, he doesn't get the bus; he gets driven - he's probably not even a brother. But the analogy holds. Besides, I'm sure he lives centrally, gets the 80% discount and can expense it. He's just being a pr1ck.

Perhaps we can allow him a credit and backcharge him for all the extra security around Grosvenor Sq? His rights and whatnot - well, same could apply to mine walking or driving aorund there.

As for Ken though... he just doesn'tget the whole "politician" thing does he?
 
#11
Having been a former contracted employee in a Diplomatic Establishment, I can understand the security implications to such scams as the Congestion Charge. Im sure no doubt Transport For London will have banged on to the Embassy about how they must register there cars etc for the fleet scheme. Diplomatic number plates are easy to recognise but im sure no Foriegn Mission would want there entire index numbers on a non secure system, the same way I sure the Met Police would not give TFL a list of index numbers of vehicles they use for covert/surveilience operations.

Ken Livingston is a total embarasment to the people of London. Any Diplomatic issues he has should be taken up with the Foreign Secreatry or the Court of St James.

Ohh and by the way, Ken thinks he knows it all, The Ambassador is just the puppet figure, complain to the Deputy Chief of Mission who runs the daily affairs of any U.S Embassy worldwide!.
 
#12
KGB_resident said:
gingwarr said:
The C Charge isn't a tax, it's a toll.

I'm fairly sure (from when this first raised it's ugly head last year) that Diplomats in the US still have to pay road tolls.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/toll

toll
...
1 : a tax or fee paid for some liberty or privilege (as of passing over a highway or bridge)
So Merriam-Webster Dictionary give sufficient ground to regard it as a tax.
Not neccesarily a tax, then.

Could be a fee.

Do diplomats not pay fees then?
 
#13
Ken Livingston is a Old Labour prat. What other countries do not pay the tax? You don't hear him bang on about the thousands of pounds in unpaid parking fines from certain African Embassies. He is doing his usual, offensive anti-American rhetoric for a cheap shot. If he had a go at all Embassies and Missions, then fine, but as usual, only those he doesn't paricularly like. As said above, he is an arrogant, small-minded buffoon!
 
#14
india-juliet said:
Having been a former contracted employee in a Diplomatic Establishment, I can understand the security implications to such scams as the Congestion Charge. Im sure no doubt Transport For London will have banged on to the Embassy about how they must register there cars etc for the fleet scheme. Diplomatic number plates are easy to recognise but im sure no Foriegn Mission would want there entire index numbers on a non secure system, the same way I sure the Met Police would not give TFL a list of index numbers of vehicles they use for covert/surveilience operations.

Ken Livingston is a total embarasment to the people of London. Any Diplomatic issues he has should be taken up with the Foreign Secreatry or the Court of St James.

Ohh and by the way, Ken thinks he knows it all, The Ambassador is just the puppet figure, complain to the Deputy Chief of Mission who runs the daily affairs of any U.S Embassy worldwide!.
Not sure that this argument holds water - if you wanted to keep a low profile, surely the answer would be to pay the CC like everyone else. As it is, I presume any vehicles the USEMB may have wished to remain covert are now flagged up on a database somewhere as CC evaders. Rather self-defeating wouldn't you say? But what does a mere civilian know of 'tradecraft'??

M_C

P.S. Re 'puppets'. Not a hard and fast rule. Take Admiral William J. Crowe, US Ambassador in the mid 90s, and a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Think he pulled the DCM's strings than vice versa.
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#15
I'm rather disappointed that it takes a foreign government representative to point out the
unfairness of this iniquitous TAX.

I'll be getting me armour on now, in readiness to deflect the 'if you don't like it, don't drive'
high brow argument.
 
#16
Fcuk you ken. I,m flagging my motor out. Once I,ve spoken to my Aunt & sorted a few details out.My motors gonna be wearing Spanish plates so stick that in your CC cameras & smoke it !!!! The same goes for GATSO cameras aswell !!!! You snivelling little crook.....

LT.
 
#17
Perevodchik said:
I'm rather disappointed that it takes a foreign government representative to point out the
unfairness of this iniquitous TAX.

I'll be getting me armour on now, in readiness to deflect the 'if you don't like it, don't drive'
high brow argument.
Well, I'll fire the first shot gently: why is it so iniquitous? It's not as if one has to divine right to drive one's car into the centre of London. It causes problems if too many people do, as it does if one sh1ts in the street.

It's free in the evenings; it's free at weekends, it's free if your car is a taxi, you get a big discount if you live in the Zone - in which case what are you doing moving your car during the day anyway, are you mad; all in all it's not that bad is it?
 
#18
gingwarr said:
KGB_resident said:
gingwarr said:
The C Charge isn't a tax, it's a toll.

I'm fairly sure (from when this first raised it's ugly head last year) that Diplomats in the US still have to pay road tolls.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/toll

toll
...
1 : a tax or fee paid for some liberty or privilege (as of passing over a highway or bridge)
So Merriam-Webster Dictionary give sufficient ground to regard it as a tax.
Not neccesarily a tax, then.

Could be a fee.

Do diplomats not pay fees then?
OK. The Americans think that it is a tax but mr.Livingstone that it is a fee. Anyway, mr.Livingstone alone hasn't right to decide this dispute. He should appeal to the court, an experise should be done, opinion of FCO should be taken into account. Maybe even mr.Blair should interfere.

One thing is obvious. A mayor, even the mayor of London hasn't right to order diplomats to pay.
 
#19
LoneTree said:
Fcuk you ken. I,m flagging my motor out. Once I,ve spoken to my Aunt & sorted a few details out.My motors gonna be wearing Spanish plates so stick that in your CC cameras & smoke it !!!! The same goes for GATSO cameras aswell !!!! You snivelling little crook.....

LT.
Hey Lone Tree be warned. TFL actually have in place an agreement with Foriegn Baliff companys in Europe to chase up vehicles that display a European number plate. I suggest you get a plate from war torn Sudan!!!!
 
#20
clownbasher said:
The US ambasador is being a bit cheeky. The charge is to me quite patently not a tax. Does he expect to travel on the bus for free too?

Well, OK, he doesn't get the bus; he gets driven - he's probably not even a brother. But the analogy holds. Besides, I'm sure he lives centrally, gets the 80% discount and can expense it. He's just being a pr1ck.

Perhaps we can allow him a credit and backcharge him for all the extra security around Grosvenor Sq? His rights and whatnot - well, same could apply to mine walking or driving aorund there.

As for Ken though... he just doesn'tget the whole "politician" thing does he?
Bet he doesn't pay his TV licence fee either.
 

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