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Ken Livingstone - Dispatches Mon C4 - fingers in the till?

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#2
You don't like him because he suggested crossing the picket line?
Most Londoners hate him cos he's right two faced racist cnut.
 
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LordVonHarley said:
You don't like him because he suggested crossing the picket line?
Most Londoners hate him cos he's right two faced racist cnut.
I've always liked him, but it's a case of not TRUSTING him. This documentary may just help to confirm my long-held suspicion that he should never ever be trusted.
 
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Either which way, if he has had his fingers in the till like most of labour lately then I hope he gets his come upence.
 
#8
It is amazing that so many people seem shocked when a politician lies. It is important to remember:

1) Not all liars are politicians
2) All politicians are liars
3) Ken is a politician (as an example)
Therefore Ken is a liar.

Not picking on Ken especially. You could substitute Tony, Hillary, Bill, Gordon, Barrak, ..... in the tautology.

You really should not blame a politician for lying. To do so would be like blaming a cow for eating grass or a big fish for eating a little fish. Lying is something that is an inherent quality of someone in elected office.

I believe it was P.J. O'Rourke, the American political philospher, who once suggested that if one were to get rid of all the members of the the US Congress and replace them with an equal number of randomly selected pimps and prostitutes the major difference would be:
1) A legislature with better moral character
2) A legislature with a better understanding of the value of money.
 
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I'd love it to be true, because he is an evil, mendacious left-wing scumbag with the morals of a sewer rat and the charm of a skunk's backside in mid discharge.

However, he's always struck me, although batty and bad, as one of the less corruptible of the crew of pig-snouted venal troughers we have in power over us at the moment. He doesn't drive, has the fashion sense of a big issue seller, and his only hobby is watching lizards in a little glass aquarium. He just doesn't appear to have the same lust for all the trappings as many of the others.

It therefore seems a bit odd - what would he do with/want with 'tens of thousands of pounds'. Unless, of course, it's been ideologically driven theft, and it's all gone to some liberation movement somewhere?

Anyway, I hope it is true, and another turd can be flushed down the toilet bowl of history. As for being 'a bit of a hero in the time of the GLC' - ha ha ha ha ha... A hero to all wrong thinking leftist loons, maybe - a feckin idiot wasting taxpayers' hard-earned on hairbrained schemes to anyone who had to bankroll the tosser's megalomania. (Sounds a bit like Brown there, doesn't he?)
 
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frenchperson said:
I've always liked him, but it's a case of not TRUSTING him.
Funny really, I dont like anybody who is untrustworthy, why they could just be making things up to please you.
 
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I can honestly say I've always hated the arrogant racist cnut. I really really hope it's true and the nosher gets his come uppance. It would make me so happy I'd let MDN roger me with a prize winning leak. Or maybe not :eek:
 
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It has always amazed me that a lot of Joe Public are taken in by the public face [persona] of people like Livingstone. A bit like rich Liabour politicians wearing drab ill-cut suits and deliberately talking in perceived working class voices or appearing to affect an avuncular friendly uncle attitude [a la Benn senior] to appeal to the idiot voters.
Apart from Frank Field and Kate Hooey I cannot think of any politico I would trust as we all know that honesty in that crowd is a rare commodity.
A long winded way of saying that I hope Red Ken falls heavily.
 

cpunk

LE
Moderator
#13
Livingstone is a sharp political operator but I reckon he's one of the nastiest, most vindictive people in British politics. I'd be delighted if this is true.
 
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frenchperson said:
He used to be a bit of a hero in the times of the GLC...
I guess that depends on which side of the fence you sit - my parents were active members of the PTA for my junior school and regularly had to help the school fight some of the barmy GLC & ILEA policies.
 
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exile1 said:
A bit like rich Liabour politicians wearing drab ill-cut suits and deliberately talking in perceived working class voices or appearing to affect an avuncular friendly uncle attitude [a la Benn senior] to appeal to the idiot voters.
I know where Wedgie Benn gets his suits from and ill-cut (or cheap) they are not. That's one trapping of his background he hasn't felt able to cast off!
 
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Livingstone is as mad as a box of frogs. I doubt that he could work in any "normal" job. He is IMHO, an egomanic of the first order. He doesn't care of things suceed or fail, as long as he gets his name in the paper. He is, by all accounts, given to violent temper tantrums and over reacts to the slightest criticism. I would not be suprised if he has had his "hand in the till" and I reckon he wouldn't see it as wrong. Hard core socialists like Livingstone don't understand the need for accountability. I would love the audit the GLA, though I suspect that Mad Ken would physically restrain auditors in the name of democracy.


I think the public mood is turning ugly and these madmen just can't understand how anyone would not vote for them. Ken is due for a fall and fall hard he will. I look forward to the self righteous bleatings when London finally turns on this nasty, spiteful, self obsessed, corrupt madman. I also look forward to his sychophantic advisors with their telephone number salaries being booted out at the same time.
 
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Red Ken is an arrogant slimeball, but that doesn't mean he's guilty.

Remember all the accusations surrounding George Galloway? There was no proof, simply a feeling that he is a smarmy, egotistical, slippery character who needs to be taken down a peg or two. The US Senate asked him about his meetings with Saddam, so he replied that had met him the same amount of times as Donald Rumsfeld, however Rumsfeld sold him weapons! The Torygraph accepted forged crap as proof that Galloway was raking in money from the food for oil campaign. It turned out to be as true as a Piers Morgan exclusive and Galloway sued the bastards.

I think that the same perception surrounds Livingstone. He is just creepy and dislikeable, which makes it easier for people to suggest that he's on the make, however I don't think he is. I think he's simply too much of a dogmatic bureaucrat for that.
 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
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PoisonDwarf said:
Red Ken is an arrogant slimeball, but that doesn't mean he's guilty.

Remember all the accusations surrounding George Galloway? There was no proof, simply a feeling that he is a smarmy, egotistical, slippery character who needs to be taken down a peg or two. The US Senate asked him about his meetings with Saddam, so he replied that had met him the same amount of times as Donald Rumsfeld, however Rumsfeld sold him weapons! The Torygraph accepted forged crap as proof that Galloway was raking in money from the food for oil campaign. It turned out to be as true as a Piers Morgan exclusive and Galloway sued the bastards.

I think that the same perception surrounds Livingstone. He is just creepy and dislikeable, which makes it easier for people to suggest that he's on the make, however I don't think he is. I think he's simply too much of a dogmatic bureaucrat for that.

I agree. The man is the epitome of Tammany Hall style 'party machine' politics (which translates into a huge electoral support base in London), but I've never thought of him as personally corrupt. I don't think people like Ken are motivated by money so much as desire for political power. Hence the the sight of "Red" Ken urging people to cross a picket line. Like Derek Hatton, ideology is a useful tool, but can be amended (even ditched) whenever applicable. Jobs for the boys though, are as far as I can tell, is the limit of his corrupt impulse.
 
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PoisionDwarf - good point, but some of the projects that Red Ken has "redistributed" money to would not stand up to even the most cusory of audits. I would be happy if the GLA was audited to the same standards as the Army.

I am suspicious because he doesn't think the rules apply to him and acts like a spoilt child if anyone has the affrontery to ask for records.

We won't find out what is going on at the GLA until he is booted out and I think we will be stunned at how much cash is unaccounted for if a proper audit takes place.
 
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I suspect this has more to do with Ken's incompetence than any real wrong doing. Seem familiar?
 

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