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Ken Clarke : Prisoners to work 40 hours per week.

LancePrivateJones

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#1
I am beginning to quite like this new government, see here >> BBC News - Prisoners 'should work 40 hours' a week says Ken Clarke

I know that it could create problems with possibly taking jobs from non-criminal types but the idea seems sound in principle.

Personally I would put them back in uniforms with arrows on them and balls and chains on their ankles and have the coonts breaking rocks in a quarry, but that's me just being a kind hearted liberal type.
 
#3
Good stuff

Perhaps they will actually give them skills that will help them on the outside. I wonder who is going to watch over them as they work though? Will they be able to do it with the existing officers? - I don't think so.
 
#5
CSJ has been pushing for this for ages. Its obviously not going to be for the nutjobs and hyper violent criminals. If the CSJ proposals are fully implemented then these prisoners will recieve payment for their work they will collect upon release. (Depending on if they progress to that stage) Which is a big incentive for many of them.

It gives them a lump sum to help them get back on their feet after prison and helps bridge the prison-job divide which is usually filled with a return to crime.

It also helps repay the victims of crime which in the absence of vengence based punishments is the most effective social method to ease the costs of crime that are not psycholigically met with incraceration.

There are tons of jobs they can do which are largely done by immigrant labour at the moment. Cardboard box assembly, inserting magazine drop out adverts at the correct page - To name a few that I have done over the last year or so that are soul destroying but low skilled.
 
#7
CSJ has been pushing for this for ages. Its obviously not going to be for the nutjobs and hyper violent criminals. If the CSJ proposals are fully implemented then these prisoners will recieve payment for their work they will collect upon release. (Depending on if they progress to that stage) Which is a big incentive for many of them.

It gives them a lump sum to help them get back on their feet after prison and helps bridge the prison-job divide which is usually filled with a return to crime.

It also helps repay the victims of crime which in the absence of vengence based punishments is the most effective social method to ease the costs of crime that are not psycholigically met with incraceration.

There are tons of jobs they can do which are largely done by immigrant labour at the moment. Cardboard box assembly, inserting magazine drop out adverts at the correct page - To name a few that I have done over the last year or so that are soul destroying but low skilled.
Why those jobs. Why not train them up and send them on government builds. The government gets a good job on the cheap and the prisoners get an education.
 
#8
It's a start, you dont take any uk citizens out of employment.

I think the critical part is to aim small then build up, Labour fucked everything up every policy because it was too far reaching too quickly when it came to reforms relating to industry and the private sector. You are going to have to provide proof of concept before you scale job types. You also want the jobs to be considered productive but not... fun.

Now the end goal would be to provide education (basic literacy and numeracy qualifications are far more important than any one other qualification which can follow) and even to not release people from prison until they have progressed to a certain standard.

Make education and training part of the terms of sentancing.

Now one of my suggestions which never got taken up but I felt could work would be to allow non-violent crime prisoners who have progressed sufficiently in qualifications and quality of work to have a.... stealth criminal record of sorts... that its only available to the police and related services, incentivising hard work that much more. Making prison a second chance rather than a permenant black mark.
 
#11
I know that it could create problems with possibly taking jobs from non-criminal types but the idea seems sound in principle.
They could give them jobs that we normally get done abroad (because the pay is a pittance).

For the low risk offenders 8 hours a day picking up litter in areas where no-one is normally paid to.

Whats the betting this kind of thing attracts lawyers moaning about the European Working Time Directive.
 
#12
They could give them jobs that we normally get done abroad (because the pay is a pittance).

For the low risk offenders 8 hours a day picking up litter in areas where no-one is normally paid to.

Whats the betting this kind of thing attracts lawyers moaning about the European Working Time Directive.
Spot on.
The only thing that will put the mockers on this will be the twerps of the EU and that famous prisoners friend, The Human Rights Act.

Personally I would support the re-introduction of prison ships and hanging from the yard-arm......in public of course.

Seriously, it could make the 'Soft' prison option very uncomfortable and I hope Ken gets his way.
 
#13
The Prison Officers have been asking for more people on the ground for years. There is no chance of Clarke spending more money on wages.
Despite the fact that their earnings will be taxed and its possible that anything they make can be sold for profit to the goverment?
 
#16
Despite the fact that their earnings will be taxed and its possible that anything they make can be sold for profit to the goverment?
Wrong. The current system of prisoners working in the "outside world" is this. We pay for their travel to and from their place of work and we provide a packed lunch. All wages they receive are Tax free and are saved for them so they have a lump sum when they are released.

By leaving the prision this also provides inmates with a great way to bring cash, drugs and mobile phones back into the system. Qualified human searches are hard to come by so that check up the brown hole is never done. By bringing in these goods perpetuates the whole problem.

Bring back chains amd lets ship them off to somewhere else.
 
#18
Jones, Whet is a lib dem, criminals for him are there because society failed them. Personal choice and thus consequence does not factor into it.

Whilst I fully understand that poor social environment can pressure people into crime, there is still a choice at every stage where society has never done more to subsidise a non-productive lifestyle.
 
#19
Jones, Whet is a lib dem, criminals for him are there because society failed them. Personal choice and thus consequence does not factor into it.

Whilst I fully understand that poor social environment can pressure people into crime, there is still a choice at every stage where society has never done more to subsidise a non-productive lifestyle.
I agree totally.
As an example look at the early life of Louis Armstrong, the famous black American trumpet player and singer.
Armstrong's early life and upbringing had him down as a dead cert for a life in and out of the Louisiana State Penitentiary, but he decided otherwise, probably the only crime Maestro Armstrong ever committed in his whole life was a liking for the wacky baccy.
A bad background does not necessarily a criminal make.

When a person commits an indictable offence they know for sure that they might get weighed off at court, ergo ; Being sent to prison is a somewhat voluntary process.

Blaming society is a cop out and quite frankly a downright lie.

It is about time that these feckers were made to put something back and realise that prison will no longer be the easy option that it currently is.

I think Ken Clarke is barking up precisely the right tree and good luck to him.

PS : You may call me Lance Private by the way.
 
#20
How about getting prisoners to learn building industry trades by having them deal with maintenance on married quarters? Save govt money, which would pay for extra supervision.

Anything they earn tho - 50% should go ino compo for victims, plus a charge for their board at same rate soldiers pay for living in accommodation!
 

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