Maybe I've missed the threads but we don't seem to be discussing Kember (and other hostages). It could be a lack of interest - or is it that like me your feelings are ambivilant. I would not wish harm on Mr Kember, or any one else, but I do wonder how much of his predicament is self inflicted. What I have found interesting is the way that various Muslim groups have come out and are asking the 'Swords of Justice Brigade' or whatever Walt name they've given themselves, to let Mr Kemebr go. It could be that they genuinly care about the fate of Mr Kember, but I think that the reason they are objecting to his kidnapping is that it reveals the hypocrasy behind the insurgancy. They claim to be fighting the 'occupation' but infact are hell bent on starting a civil war, with a view to impossing thier perverted way of life on the rest of Iraq and then the rest of the Muslim world and then all of us. Kidnapping and murdering Kember reveals them for what they are.