Keir Starmer- Mein Kampf

Labour leader in dangerous flirtation with social democracy. The left will have him.

What's telling is that he had to clearly had to meditate on these points during some kind of political retreat. Then he felt compelled to articulate them in a 12,000 word essay. Blair would have jotted them down on a sheet of A4 in 20 minutes and given them to an aide to write up as a conference speech.

Unless Starmer's ready to hang nonces, deport illegal immigrants, and return to a 1950s criminal justice system, he probably won't get the core vote in the old Labour heartlands.

All the Tories have to do is tout a few key policies in that vein (even if they've no intention of implementing them) and challenge Keir to back them or condemn them. He'll stumble and pontificate and prevaricate - and lose the next election.
This.

Blair (the only Labour PM elected in a generation) pulled it off by turning Labour purple; mix blue and red. In the eyes of many things did indeed get better but many of those hopefuls had been fooled and most of them soon wised up.

Starmer, another fecking lawyer, ergo professionally qualified liar, is trying the same stunt. His problem is that of those potential Labour voters, most of those old enough to remember won’t be fooled twice. Those too young to remember are captivated by the mystique of Corbyn because they’ve not had to live the reality. The leftovers are the dyed in the wool Trots who are so wedded to their ideology and so thoroughly tainted by it they’ve no option but to stick with it, nobody else is going to give them the levers of power, even those in their own party. They’re not going to leave Labour because they know dammed well they’d disappear without trace just as every other group of splitters has done.

Thatcher had rock solid policies and a proven record of appealing to a very broad church but even she came a cropper when internal party divisions opened up. What hope for Starmer, a chancer with no policies, no appeal to anyone, a proven record of being a bullshitter, and a party riven by warfare never mind division before he even starts.

If he wasn’t such a belmer I’d actually feel sorry for him.
 

Mr_Baiter

War Hero
  • We will always put hard-working families and their priorities first. That's basically a liberal conservative stance
  • If you work hard and play by the rules, you should be rewarded fairly. That's basically a liberal conservative stance
  • People and businesses are expected to contribute to society, as well as receive. That's basically a liberal conservative stance - if you create the right tax environment then businesses can pay people well and those people can recirculate the money within the economy
  • Your chances in life should not be defined by the circumstances of your birth – hard work and how you contribute should matter. That's basically a liberal conservative stance - conservatism is more likely to enhance social mobility than socialism ever will
  • Families, communities and the things that bring us together must once again be put above individualism. That's basically a liberal conservative stance - just that the communities are made up of individuals under conservatism whereas they are seen in terms of communities-only under socialism.
  • The economy should work for citizens and communities. It is not good enough to just surrender to market forces. That's basically a liberal conservative stance
  • The role of government is to be a partner to private enterprise, not stifle it. That's basically a liberal conservative stance
  • The government should treat taxpayer money as if it were its own. The current levels of waste are unacceptable. That's basically a liberal conservative stance
  • The government must play its role in restoring honesty, decency and transparency in public life. That's basically a liberal conservative stance
  • We are proudly patriotic but we reject the divisiveness of nationalism. That's basically a liberal conservative stance
Not saying the current shower in government display much of this but then neither would I call them Conservatives TBH.
 

TamH70

MIA
In my dotage I look back over the years and I have come to one conclusion; never, ever, trust Labour with the nation's money! Whenever they have left office, we are, in so many words "truly skint!" Who was it left a note in a drawer "There's no money!" I'm sure it will stir some memories.

It took you that long?

I had those twats sussed when I was yet to even reach the age of nine years old. I told my granny at the General Election just after the Winter of Discontent to vote Tory. She wasn't best pleased but for once in her senile evil bitch life never lamped me across the face for it. She was a Labour voter until they nailed her down in her last overcoat.

Mind you, I only voted Conservative for the first time at the last Scottish Parliamentary Election. If Boris doesn't foul it up I'll continue to do so at all elections other than council ones from now onwards.
 
Something's been niggling me about the title of this thread and it is this: When Hitler wrote Mein Kampf he set out his own radical worldview (albeit in a fairly tortuous manner). He expressed his militant personal philosophy and political ideas with unabashed frankness.

Hitler then went on to implement those ideas without compromise or prevarication. In it's own perverse way, Mein Kampf was one of the most honest and straightforward political manifestos ever written. It's a pity that the rest of the world didn't take it at face value. Possibly they found it too tedious to read.

Contrast that with Starmer's ineffectual and unconvincing attempt to position himself on the political middle ground. He's presented a slack handful of platitudes that he doesn't have the drive, vigor, or conviction to implement.

I reckon that Hitler would have battered Starmer with a chair leg and then robbed his wallet and wristwatch, before pushing an NSDAP calling card into his bloodied mouth. Starmer is the ultimate political nonentity; vague, ineffectual blandness personified.
 

ACAB

LE
I reckon that Hitler would have battered Starmer with a chair leg and then robbed his wallet and wristwatch, before pushing an NSDAP calling card into his bloodied mouth. Starmer is the ultimate political nonentity; vague, ineffectual blandness personified.
That bit made me chuckle.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
Something's been niggling me about the title of this thread and it is this: When Hitler wrote Mein Kampf he set out his own radical worldview (albeit in a fairly tortuous manner). He expressed his militant personal philosophy and political ideas with unabashed frankness.

Hitler then went on to implement those ideas without compromise or prevarication. In it's own perverse way, Mein Kampf was one of the most honest and straightforward political manifestos ever written. It's a pity that the rest of the world didn't take it at face value. Possibly they found it too tedious to read.

Contrast that with Starmer's ineffectual and unconvincing attempt to position himself on the political middle ground. He's presented a slack handful of platitudes that he doesn't have the drive, vigor, or conviction to implement.

I reckon that Hitler would have battered Starmer with a chair leg and then robbed his wallet and wristwatch, before pushing an NSDAP calling card into his bloodied mouth. Starmer is the ultimate political nonentity; vague, ineffectual blandness personified.

Of course Hitler was also a socialist so he'd have had issues with Starmer on that score too.
 
Sir Keir Starmer has written an essay, presumably whilst in detention for some form of micro aggression. His key points are as follows but, for some reason best known to himself and probably to do with the subconscious knowledge that the welfare of this country requires him to remain in Opposition, one has to plough through 12,000 words of dreck prior to this enlightenment:
  • We will always put hard-working families and their priorities first.
They all say that
  • If you work hard and play by the rules, you should be rewarded fairly.
Yeah , right...
  • People and businesses are expected to contribute to society, as well as receive.
Harrumph ! That's ....Communism !
  • Your chances in life should not be defined by the circumstances of your birth – hard work and how you contribute should matter.
See above
  • Families, communities and the things that bring us together must once again be put above individualism.
See above
  • The economy should work for citizens and communities. It is not good enough to just surrender to market forces.
That's deffo Communism
  • The role of government is to be a partner to private enterprise, not stifle it.
Nazism ....
  • The government should treat taxpayer money as if it were its own. The current levels of waste are unacceptable.
Now he's being silly
  • The government must play its role in restoring honesty, decency and transparency in public life.
Really ? Who killed Dr Russell , then ?
  • We are proudly patriotic but we reject the divisiveness of nationalism.
You may cheer the national side at football but nothing else
Is anyone thinking of changing their vote on the back of Sir Keir's cri de coeur?
I'm learning the Red Flag as I type this
 
Of course Hitler was also a socialist so he'd have had issues with Starmer on that score too.

Hitler would be more impressed with how Nicola Sturgeon managed to subvert democracy
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
Hitler would be more impressed with how Nicola Sturgeon managed to subvert democracy

But then she is a nationalist socialist.
 
The Wife who predicted the shit storm of Covid when it was still just a chink with a cough, reckons the UK is fucked for the next 10 years, IE Torys out next time,5 years of Liebour spending like its free money,then back to the Torys, slashing things to pay off the debts.
 

Who_Dat

Clanker
Starmer is going to make a promise to introduce a £10 per hour minimum wage during the conference, if elected.
Last week Labour were advertising for stewards to manage the event, pay rate £9.75 per hour!
 
This clip on Guido was brilliant:


You couldn’t make it up: You asked the wrong voters - they were a randomly selected sample of the electorate! How very dare you be so devious! You should have gone down to the taxi rank and asked a closed all-male community of virtually one ethnic background.
 
This.

Blair (the only Labour PM elected in a generation) pulled it off by turning Labour purple; mix blue and red. In the eyes of many things did indeed get better but many of those hopefuls had been fooled and most of them soon wised up.

Starmer, another fecking lawyer, ergo professionally qualified liar, is trying the same stunt. His problem is that of those potential Labour voters, most of those old enough to remember won’t be fooled twice. Those too young to remember are captivated by the mystique of Corbyn because they’ve not had to live the reality. The leftovers are the dyed in the wool Trots who are so wedded to their ideology and so thoroughly tainted by it they’ve no option but to stick with it, nobody else is going to give them the levers of power, even those in their own party. They’re not going to leave Labour because they know dammed well they’d disappear without trace just as every other group of splitters has done.

Thatcher had rock solid policies and a proven record of appealing to a very broad church but even she came a cropper when internal party divisions opened up. What hope for Starmer, a chancer with no policies, no appeal to anyone, a proven record of being a bullshitter, and a party riven by warfare never mind division before he even starts.

If he wasn’t such a belmer I’d actually feel sorry for him.

I am somewhere to the far right of Ghengis Khan on many issues, but voted for Blair in 97 because the Conservative party at the time was utterly devoid of any real leadership or vision.

Blair did much that I utterly ******* deplore, but to be fair to him many of Labour’s social and economic reforms were much needed, and for a while there things actually were getting better

Had he not brought us several million immigrants extra immigrants he would still be in power, he is the last Labour leader who actually had a real idea of what most people wanted… which in truth was actually fairly Thatcherite
 

cowgoesmoo

Old-Salt
Left school in '97, same year Labour came into power. Spent my 20s watching houses become unaffordable, books-in jobs being replaced by short term agency jobs, company pensions being wound up, an influx of high skilled workers from eastern europe competing for low skilled jobs here, tutition fees introduced on students, apprenticeships being systematically dismantled, and the rise of the entitled criminal classes. I do enjoy election season when I get to ask the local labour party workers how increasing house prices and opening the doors to all of europe helped the working classes last time they were in power - usual answer is some shite about the Palestinians or trans-rights.
 
The Wife who predicted the shit storm of Covid when it was still just a chink with a cough, reckons the UK is fucked for the next 10 years, IE Torys out next time,5 years of Liebour spending like its free money,then back to the Torys, slashing things to pay off the debts.

There has to be a better way....
 
The Wife who predicted the shit storm of Covid when it was still just a chink with a cough, reckons the UK is fucked for the next 10 years, IE Torys out next time,5 years of Liebour spending like its free money,then back to the Torys, slashing things to pay off the debts.
I really believe that another 5 years of Labour government might cross the invisible tipping point that breaks Britain. At the least, it would be back to the Sick Man of Europe status.

Starmer might appear harmless but the Labour back benches are dangerous. God help the country if they got a majority. Starmer would be England's Biden. He'd either be deposed in a year, or bullied into an endless rout of compromises with the wokist hard left.
 

Sixty

ADC
Moderator
Book Reviewer
I was sort of with him all the way up to 'hard work'.

F**k that.
 
Starmer is going to make a promise to introduce a £10 per hour minimum wage during the conference, if elected.
Last week Labour were advertising for stewards to manage the event, pay rate £9.75 per hour!

That'll be £5.00 an hour by the time he's taxed and NId it. If you're lucky.

Deduct VAT and climate change tax etc. on goods and transport and the average worker will be scratching to get by and counting the pennies.
 

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