Keir Starmer- Mein Kampf

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Sir Keir Starmer has written an essay, presumably whilst in detention for some form of micro aggression. His key points are as follows but, for some reason best known to himself and probably to do with the subconscious knowledge that the welfare of this country requires him to remain in Opposition, one has to plough through 12,000 words of dreck prior to this enlightenment:
  • We will always put hard-working families and their priorities first.
  • If you work hard and play by the rules, you should be rewarded fairly.
  • People and businesses are expected to contribute to society, as well as receive.
  • Your chances in life should not be defined by the circumstances of your birth – hard work and how you contribute should matter.
  • Families, communities and the things that bring us together must once again be put above individualism.
  • The economy should work for citizens and communities. It is not good enough to just surrender to market forces.
  • The role of government is to be a partner to private enterprise, not stifle it.
  • The government should treat taxpayer money as if it were its own. The current levels of waste are unacceptable.
  • The government must play its role in restoring honesty, decency and transparency in public life.
  • We are proudly patriotic but we reject the divisiveness of nationalism.
Is anyone thinking of changing their vote on the back of Sir Keir's cri de coeur?
 
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Boris_Johnson

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DirtyBAT
Capt Hindsight has the mother of all problems...

How does his posh boy, ex-grammar school persona and his party simultaneously appeal to the working classes without pi$$ing off the metropolitan elite within the Greater London boundaries, and vice-versa?

It's why they'll continue to lose elections. Badly.

And having no credible opposition is why the current load of buffoons can get away with bulldozing their manifesto promises and getting away with murder.

I'm voting for the fecking Greens next GE. Won't make any difference of course, but the principled grown up inside me just cannot bring myself to vote for any of these clowns right now.

They (and their fellow front-benchers) remind me of House Captains and milk monitors in school. Unlikeable oiks pushed to the front by the class to do the jobs nobody wants.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Capt Hindsight has the mother of all problems...

How does his posh boy, ex-grammar school persona and his party simultaneously appeal to the working classes without pi$$ing off the metropolitan elite within the Greater London boundaries, and vice-versa?

It's why they'll continue to lose elections. Badly.

And having no credible opposition is why the current load of buffoons can get away with bulldozing their manifesto promises and getting away with murder.

I'm voting for the fecking Greens next GE. Won't make any difference of course, but the principled grown up inside me just cannot bring myself to vote for any of these clowns right now.

They (and their fellow front-benchers) remind me of House Captains and milk monitors in school. Unlikeable oiks pushed to the front by the class to do the jobs nobody wants.

Even by the dismal standards of the last three decades, the current political landscape is singularly desolate.

Say what one will about Xi Jinping, he knows who he wants to persecute.
 
He was on my telly just now telling me that everyone going to the Labour conference this year will need to prove they've had both Covid jabs. I wonder if that will please the more 'eccentric' members of his gang?
 

Ursus Major

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Sir Keir Starmer has written an essay, presumably whilst in detention for some form of micro aggression. His key points are as follows but, for some reason best known to himself and probably to do with the subconscious knowledge that the welfare of this country requires him to remain in Opposition, one has to plough through 12,000 words of dreck prior to this enlightenment:
  • We will always put hard-working families and their priorities first.
  • If you work hard and play by the rules, you should be rewarded fairly.
  • People and businesses are expected to contribute to society, as well as receive.
  • Your chances in life should not be defined by the circumstances of your birth – hard work and how you contribute should matter.
  • Families, communities and the things that bring us together must once again be put above individualism.
  • The economy should work for citizens and communities. It is not good enough to just surrender to market forces.
  • The role of government is to be a partner to private enterprise, not stifle it.
  • The government should treat taxpayer money as if it were its own. The current levels of waste are unacceptable.
  • The government must play its role in restoring honesty, decency and transparency in public life.
  • We are proudly patriotic but we reject the divisiveness of nationalism.
Is anyone thinking of changing their vote on the back of Sir Keir's cri de coeur?
I think the first thing that comes to mind is beige....
 
Jesus wept. All very good but he can never deliver because apart from anything else, he doesn’t believe it himself even before all the usual suspects start foaming.

How the hell can you separate nationalism from patriotism? Just vacuous bollocks. All well and good trying to hive off the nasty XRW nationalism (the real version of nasty XRW, not the white van with the England sticker on it type demonised by most of his party) but patriotism is an intrinsically nationalist act, pretty much by definition.
 

Boris_Johnson

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DirtyBAT
I loved it last year when Steer Kalmer was absent in the HoC and the thought of having Dep Leader Angela "working class" Rayner taking the helm clearly didn't resonate with the rest of the champagne socialists, so they wheeled out Ed Miliband instead...!

Can't remember what it was about now; I usually switch over when I accidentally stumble across the news.
 

philc

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  • We will always put hard-working families and their priorities first.
Dont pander to non working then, make them productive so hard working families dont have to pay for them.
  • If you work hard and play by the rules, you should be rewarded fairly.
Those that dont either go away for a long time or are deported.
  • People and businesses are expected to contribute to society, as well as receive.
Flat rate of taxation, simplify and remove loop holes.
  • Your chances in life should not be defined by the circumstances of your birth – hard work and how you contribute should matter.
Grammer Schools
  • Families, communities and the things that bring us together must once again be put above individualism.
No idea
  • The economy should work for citizens and communities. It is not good enough to just surrender to market forces.
Again no idea
  • The role of government is to be a partner to private enterprise, not stifle it.
Role of Government is to legislate and provide guidance via representation
  • The government should treat taxpayer money as if it were its own. The current levels of waste are unacceptable.
Start with NHS
  • The government must play its role in restoring honesty, decency and transparency in public life.
Look at Unions
  • We are proudly patriotic but we reject the divisiveness of nationalism.
No your not.

12,000 words of guff, least Ed Stone was short.
 
Sir Keir Starmer has written an essay, presumably whilst in detention for some form of micro aggression. His key points are as follows but, for some reason best known to himself and probably to do with the subconscious knowledge that the welfare of this country requires him to remain in Opposition, one has to plough through 12,000 words of dreck prior to this enlightenment:
  • We will always put hard-working families and their priorities first.
  • If you work hard and play by the rules, you should be rewarded fairly.
  • People and businesses are expected to contribute to society, as well as receive.
  • Your chances in life should not be defined by the circumstances of your birth – hard work and how you contribute should matter.
  • Families, communities and the things that bring us together must once again be put above individualism.
  • The economy should work for citizens and communities. It is not good enough to just surrender to market forces.
  • The role of government is to be a partner to private enterprise, not stifle it.
  • The government should treat taxpayer money as if it were its own. The current levels of waste are unacceptable.
  • The government must play its role in restoring honesty, decency and transparency in public life.
  • We are proudly patriotic but we reject the divisiveness of nationalism.
Is anyone thinking of changing their vote on the back of Sir Keir's cri de coeur?


It's just under 2 years of me rejoining Labour and I am a ball hair from voting Tory.
 
It's nothing more than a futile attempt to convince people to vote Labour, by pretending to understand what it is that most normal people want.
But he can't even blag that properly.
Most of us can see that he's already got his excuses written into his 'manifesto' by the caveats he's added.
He thinks the working man/woman (or whatever it is that you identify as) can't see that 'patriotic but not nationalist,' 'must contribute but also receive,' are open to many different interpretations, and I'm fairly certain none of Starmers interpretations will match mine.
 
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FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Book Reviewer
I loved it last year when Steer Kalmer was absent in the HoC and the thought of having Dep Leader Angela "working class" Rayner taking the helm clearly didn't resonate with the rest of the champagne socialists, so they wheeled out Ed Miliband instead...!

Can't remember what it was about now; I usually switch over when I accidentally stumble across the news.
It's probably deeply symptomatic of Labour that they struggle to choose between the two:

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Site Admin

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Flat rate of taxation, simplify and remove loop holes.

Yeah I've often pondered if this is workable. I think Kazakhstan had a single tax rate once upon a time.

The lowest earners/min wagers/Under 18's shouldn't pay anything or negligible NI and then amalgamate the other tax rates for all earners whilst closing or tightening the many offshore loopholes in the UK's purview.

No taxes on pensions either unless it's a high 6 figure pot, same with death taxes.

I have no idea if this is workable as I went to the Darth Abbot School Of Economics And Ambidextrous Footwear, and if I was even mildly intelligent I suppose I wouldn't be posting on here.
 
My concern about Starmer (and coming from a broadly pro-Tory outlook) is what Macmillan called 'Events, my dear boy, events'.

Labour is a crowd of ignorant, envious, ****wombles but voters will have a short memory, and less aversion to Labour, if the brewing issues around haulage, energy supply, housing supply, the NHS (for example, why it's so bloody hard to get to see a GP), policing, etc develop.

To an extent, if problems grow, Starmer can just keep quiet (and try to keep the barely coherent Rayner off TV) and some votes will come his way. And there are green shoots for Labour and Liberals in the South as - for whatever reason - well-off voters swing slowly to the centre. Starmer can succeed with such voters just by not being Corbyn.

And Boris is still the focus of an Establishment and MSM anti-Brexit/Tory effort.

Point is, Starmer's account is mockable but complacency about Labour/Liberals needs to be avoided. Given half a chance of making a 'Winter of shortages' narrative stick, the MSM will make hay, and the polls may swing.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
It all sounds frightfully jolly, but if this egalitarian malarkey were to take off, who would the Islington elite have to look down upon and sneer at?

It's not going to fly, Orville...
 
Kier Starmer said: said:
  • We will always put hard-working families and their priorities first.
  • If you work hard and play by the rules, you should be rewarded fairly.
    Although breaking immigration laws is different
  • People and businesses are expected to contribute to society, as well as receive.
  • Your chances in life should not be defined by the circumstances of your birth – hard work and how you contribute should matter.
  • Families, communities and the things that bring us together must once again be put above individualism.
  • The economy should work for citizens and communities. It is not good enough to just surrender to market forces.
  • The role of government is to be a partner to private enterprise, not stifle it.
  • The government should treat taxpayer money as if it were its own. The current levels of waste are unacceptable.
  • The government must play its role in restoring honesty, decency and transparency in public life.
  • We are proudly patriotic but we reject the divisiveness of nationalism.

Pound shop Thatcherism
 

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