Karzai wants PMC's out

#3
Seems to me he wants domestics to do the job. He's trying to kick the foreign contractors out.

Can't find the link to where I read about it...
But it fills me with dread to see the local 'security' going on duty smacked off their t*ts protecting convoys and charity medical/dental tents and the like.
These domestic 'security' lot are usually gangster/warlord controlled and are responsible for a lot of civillian casulaties.
 
#4
So, Karzai wants Afghanistan for the Afghans then .... I thought that was why we were there ? No country can be dewcribed as free when it has foreign civilians doing what the local forces should do.

(I know, I know ... tongue firmly in cheek)

I see a few things driving this:
Pushing back on the foreign infidels who swan round in Oakleys shooting the locals plays well to the voters;
It means that more money gets spent in AFG which means that he and selected cronies can control it which means more power;
Generates an opportunity to be bought off to move the date back.
 

asr1

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#5
Karzai wants PMCs out so he can dish out contracts to his cronies and pocket all the cash. This won't happen, as no NGO, embassy, for-profit company or charity is willing for the lives of their employees to be put in the hands of some untrained and untrustworthy Afghans who will slip away into the darkness as soon as the vehicles get attacked or as soon as Karzai tells them to. When you are protected by an expat security team you know that you are all in the same boat should things get interesting and you are all equally likely to have your head chopped off with a rusty knife. That's where the trust between client and security provider comes from.

Watan risk management - run by Karzai's cousin
Kandahar Security - run by Karzai's brother

Karzai has seen the profits to be made through logistic resupply and armed guarding and wants a slice of it, just like he wants a slice of everything else.
 

OldSnowy

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#6
Just google the problems that the Canadians are having around the Dahla Dam in Kandahar. Ex-Pat security out, KArzai's Brother's security in. There are big, big bucks involved here.
 
#7
Karzai is such a ****. So much so that I am surprised one of his co-religionist brothers hasn't just walked up to him, said the customary,
"Allahuh Akbar x three" and set off a vest full of good news.

Then again, maybe the Talibs have clocked the fact that he is the best advertisement for the Coalition being fuckwits for keeping him and his kin in power and thought to themselves, "Yah, let us keep him in place til the Infidels flee, then we can take our righteous revenge"

Tam
 
#8
Karzai is a corrupt, greedy, money hungry bastard.

G4S (Armour Group) have just secured a multi million pound contract (think its initially for 3 years) protecting UK FCO and Govt Officials in Country. I cannot see that being canned in favour of Afghan Security Teams.
 
#9
#10
Surely, putting the words "Afghan" and "Security" and "Teams" in the one phrase or sentence is as laughable as Cyclop's speech saying he had "Saved the world, hehem, the banking system"?

Tam
 
#11
Has no one actually bothered to read the article:
"Contractors working for international embassies and non-governmental organisations will be exempt from the decree, as long as security personnel stay within their compounds, the order says."
Still bit of a crack pot though getting rid of the rest!
 
#12
#13
I have no problem with the sentiment, but setting a four month deadline is just asking for failure. Maybe if it was a 2 year deadline it might be feasible, but this just simply isn't
 
#14
"as long as security personnel stay within their compounds, the order says."

So who does convoy escorts on the run from the Green Zone to KAIA?
 
#15
BBC News - Afghan president orders private security closures

Contractors working for international embassies and non-governmental organisations will be exempt from the decree, as long as security personnel stay within their compounds, the order says.
What about getting out and about? You know, meeting the locals and doing thier job? As others have said it is all about Karzai getting a cut of the action. Same with his close families' intimate involvement in illegal drugs. Alledgedly.
 
#16
Infidels out! Corrupt semi-official security companies in!

...Wait 6 months...

Karzai out! Abu-Hamster in!

The revolving door of Middle Eastern Politics that have left 327 British families and 1,027 American families without a father/mother/brother/sister/son/daughter etc etc...
 
#17
Its the usual crap. I remember arriving at a place in Bosnia which had a minefield problem right at the end of the war there. I was doing an assessment of needs for the EC. Meeting with local bigwigs went like this:

BW: Pliz ve vont money for minefield cleanink.

Me: How many minefield related casualties have there been here.

BW: Er

Me: Is the minefield affecting peoples access to food, water, arable land or other socio economic necessities

BW: Ve just need money you haf to help us.

Me: I need to prioritise the clearance needs of this area and you can help by giving me the information I am asking for.

BW: Ve dont need priorities ve just need money. Ve are not third world, ve are Bosnian you gif us money ve clear landmines. Ve can do it for our selfes.

Me: Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, can you please answer my questions.

BW: Ve dont need your help ve need chust the money. Dis minefield put all our life in danger. You put our life in danger by not give money. Ve can do everysink ourserf, you give money now.

Me: Put a fence around the minefield to reduce the danger of people straying into it. I have another five villages to assess today.

Karzai is the same. Just give him the money and smile. I trust that Dave will not do that.
 
#18
Most of the posters on here have sussed it out. He wants the lucrative Logs Convoy Escort contracts. Bearing in mind that some of those convoys are transporting millions of pounds worth of goods (Fuel, consumer goods, fags, food & water etc) I think you can probably work out another 'additional' angle that Arthur Daley would be proud of. Then again, this is Afghanistan we're talking about.

These contacts themselves are BIG bucks
 
#19
I can actually see a positive angle to this. Frankly if Karzai wanted to cash in on the domestic militia/security market it would be easy enough for him to do so and absorbing those organisations into the ANP/ACAP/ANCOP is probably not the best way to do it as should these uniformed ex PMCs (a misnomer in this context but let's stick with for ease) carry on with their former duties, the cut of profits is going to be so diluted by the time it gets to Kabul as to be peanuts and should we talking about centralised contracts issued by the MoI, it would be very easy for district police forces to create an unworkable environment . It may just be that uncle Hamid genuinely sees the benefits of absorbing large amounts of militias with local knowledge (and relationships with local Talebs) into the official GiROA fold - Chief of Police EZMARI anyone?
Unfortunately - whatever the motivations it won't work as district CoPs will be very reluctant to absorb men with clear alleigences to other commanders (in some cases very powerful ones) into their Tashkiels, especially given that the all important wage bill might then actually represent the amount of bodies that the MoI is paying for at present.
 
#20
It is not just the corruption angle for convoys it is also security for personnel when they either a.) melt away or b.) attack those they are suppose to protect due to threats, greed or actually being TB.
 

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