Just when you thought it was hard enough to see a GP....

[ImNotABot]

GPs vote for industrial action over being told to work on Saturdays

Apparently, they've "each lost millions of pounds" due to pay erosion over the last 12 years and don't like be told to work Saturdays.

 

[Glasgow_Jock]

Hopefully they win, that's what minor injury units are for at the weekend if it can't wait until Monday.

Awaits the deluge of anecdotes about how millions of people have died because of no weekend GP access

 

[Sadurian]

I think the big issues over weekend access to GPs is that many people work Monday to Friday, and therefore need to take time off to see a GP during the week. Weekend surgeries are a godsend for people for whom taking a few hours off during the day is not convenient.

I might also mention that our surgery requires you to call in at 0830 to book an appointment - a few minutes later and the slots have usually gone. I'm at work at that time and it is not always convenient or possible to make private calls. I doubt that I'm the only one in this position.

 

[Ecosse]

Our surgeries ( Falkirk) have closed Saturday & Sunday for decades.
Emergency?
"Fal-Doc", a rotational panel of volunteer & paid medics man a small fleet of well equipped SUVs.
Deadly? 999.
It has always been thus.
Plus a panel or rotational pharmacies over the weekends for emergency drugs.
Is this not reflected elsewhere in UK?

 

[Tappet]

GPs vote for industrial action over being told to work on Saturdays

Apparently, they've "each lost millions of pounds" due to pay erosion over the last 12 years and don't like be told to work Saturdays.

If my employer told me that I'd be working Saturdays I'd be miffed too.

 

[vvaannmmaann]

How much do doctors get paid at the moment?

 

[Tappet]

How much do doctors get paid at the moment?

Pay for doctors

Doctors in training As a doctor in training you’ll earn a basic salary, plus pay for any hours over 40 per week, a 37 per cent enhancement for working nights, a weekend allowance for any work at the weekend, an availability allowance if you are required to be available on-call, and other...

www.healthcareers.nhs.uk

IMO, not a great deal considering what they do.

 

[ImNotABot]

How much do doctors get paid at the moment?

Min £100K.. Not including the money they make for 'private consultation work'.

 

[Tappet]

Min £100K.. Not including the money they make for 'private consultation work'.

 

[lastwalt]

Our surgeries ( Falkirk) have closed Saturday & Sunday for decades.
Emergency?
"Fal-Doc", a rotational panel of volunteer & paid medics man a small fleet of well equipped SUVs.
Deadly? 999.
It has always been thus.
Plus a panel or rotational pharmacies over the weekends for emergency drugs.
Is this not reflected elsewhere in UK?

Fife and Tayside have out of hours GPs as well. Or they did pre-covid. Only had to use it once when my son had tonsillitis .

 

[Ecosse]

How much do doctors get paid at the moment?

Up here, kicks off about 40k-ish, then it increments up to about 65k + or -.
About the same as some train drivers.
Eventually long termers will nudge the 95k mark + or -.
Back in the day, my GP Dad got £1.00 per capita of patient list P/a.
The big bonuses were in the 10 bob per emigrator jabs.
Mind you, in '65 I think our new Beetle cost about £850 or summat.

 

[ImNotABot]

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While I appreciate your choice in gif.. If you google around for GP vacancies, you will be hard pressed to find anything for less than £80k.

 

[Andy71]

How much do doctors get paid at the moment?

"
There are two contractual options for GPs. They can be:

1) independent contractors who are in charge of running their own practices as business either alone or in partnerships. They have autonomy in how services are delivered according to their contract with the Clinical Commissioning Group. In England, these GPs have increasing responsibility for the commissioning of hospital services for the community

2) salaried GPs who are employees of independent contractor practices or directly employed by primary care organisations. From 1 April 2021*, the pay range for salaried GPs is £62,268 to £93,965."

Pay for doctors

Doctors in training As a doctor in training you’ll earn a basic salary, plus pay for any hours over 40 per week, a 37 per cent enhancement for working nights, a weekend allowance for any work at the weekend, an availability allowance if you are required to be available on-call, and other...

www.healthcareers.nhs.uk

 

[Rodney2q]

Well, whatever it is doctors do and how much they earn, they don't seem to be doing it in Shropshire.

I haven't been able to see a doctor since 2019.

Had one telephone consultation which was a waste of time (after subsequently traipsing up to the hospital for a blood test the hospital lost the blood sample) and the GP never bothered to contact me about the result anyway.

Every time I get my meds presciption it says I am due for a review, and have been for over two years. No-one seems to want to do it though and the last one was cancelled because there was a "national shortage" of blood sample containers.

Last September I went for an eye test. The optician referred me to a specialist about an eye problem.

Specialist said it is a simple problem and just requires a bit of surgery on the eyelid - a 20 minute procedure under a local anasthetic and I can go home after a couple of hours.

I saw the specialist in October last year. I was due to go for a consulation with another specialist next week but this has been put back to the end of October (I only found out yesterday even though the decision was made in May). I'm not holding my breath on getting the consultation in October and I guess I'm just going to have to live with it.

 

[Tappet]

While I appreciate your choice in gif.. If you google around for GP vacancies, you will be hard pressed to find anything for less than £80k.

Which is less than your claimed £100k.

 

[Andy71]

Were are all these Saturday appointment slots supposed to come from?

It either means less slots during the week or expecting GPs (and their supporting staff) to work a 6 day week.

Or somehow magicking up a load of new GPs from somewhere

 

[Archibald]

Well, whatever it is doctors do and how much they earn, they don't seem to be doing it in Shropshire.

I haven't been able to see a doctor since 2019.

Had one telephone consultation which was a waste of time (after subsequently traipsing up to the hospital for a blood test the hospital lost the blood sample) and the GP never bothered to contact me about the result anyway.

Every time I get my meds presciption it says I am due for a review, and have been for over two years. No-one seems to want to do it though and the last one was cancelled because there was a "national shortage" of blood sample containers.

Last September I went for an eye test. The optician referred me to a specialist about an eye problem.

Specialist said it is a simple problem and just requires a bit of surgery on the eyelid - a 20 minute procedure under a local anasthetic and I can go home after a couple of hours.

I saw the specialist in October last year. I was due to go for a consulation with another specialist next week but this has been put back to the end of October (I only found out yesterday even though the decision was made in May). I'm not holding my breath on getting the consultation in October and I guess I'm just going to have to live with it.

The best days of the NHS is behind it - if there ever was a golden age - 60`s / 70,s


Archie

 

[Archibald]

Were are all these Saturday appointment slots supposed to come from?

It either means less slots during the week or expecting GPs (and their supporting staff) to work a 6 day week.

Or somehow magicking up a load of new GPs from somewhere

Syria / Iran / Middle East ????

Archie

 

[exbleep]

Min £100K.. Not including the money they make for 'private consultation work'.

Nope. Only if they meet all the targets they are set plus the grand a month they have to pay out for insurance and so on. Definitely not a minimum and very few GPs actually do private consultation work.

Between 70k and only the top earners get up to 100k so Min is a bit off. Even then that's only if they meet the full targets introduced by the government.

Plus they pay the full whack (employers and employees) contribution to their pension and some around 1k a month on insurance.

The only "extra" they would get would be if they were providing out of hours cover for a consortium.

 

[lastwalt]

I have no idea what GP's earn, but I've never known one struggle financially. I do know a couple who have retired early, and used the excuse of their pension hitting the lifetime allowance ceiling, so that tells me something.