Just looking for a few tips please guys and girls.

Discussion in 'Join the Army - Regular Officer Recruiting' started by Yorkshire Lad, May 20, 2011.

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  1. Hi guys and girls,

    First of all, apologies for asking any questions which you've already answered for others in this forum. I've done my best to search through stickys and other intriguing posts to try and widen my knowledge in this area and I have now found myself wanting to ask a few questions which I haven't found answers for yet. Any answers you could provide would be appreciated, whether they be posted here or PM'ed to me.

    Just to put myself in to context here's a short profile on myself:

    I'm Jamie, 21 and currently in the final month of my Accountancy degree, expecting to get a 2:1. Whilst I have absolutely no experience within the Military (cadets, TA etc) it has always been one of my burning desires to serve my country in some form or another. Whilst my degree is in Accountancy, I have no particular desire to follow the subject up further as I only undertook the degree due to finding the subject amusingly easy. Whilst initial my intention was merely to enter the army at the bottom level, it was brought to my attention that it would be a waste of a degree not to attempt to enter at a higher level such as an officer. I would consider myself to be quite charismatic and a strong leader but also open to criticisms and as such I feel I have many of the raw elements required to be an army officer.

    The questions I have are:

    1) How many recruits does RMA Sandhurst take on each 'term' and how many people apply on average? (Just wanting to get an idea of what the acceptance rate is)

    2) Is it a huge disadvantage to have no previous military experience, nor know anyone who has?

    3) I've been looking around different regiments and I've struggled to get a real grasp on which ones I would have more interest in. Which would you say are the most applicable to a person who would enjoy the more practical aspects of being in the military, as opposed to being stationed in an office/HQ.

    4) For anyone who has been through Sandhurst, how did you find your fellow recruits in terms of comradory? Some press and general online banter suggests that to get on in Sandhurst you need to either be born in to money or have a very thick skin and be happy to be 'spoken down to' - Are these far-fetched rumours or is it a realistic summary of life at Sandhurst?

    Thanks for any help you can provide me with, it will all be appreciated and if there are any questions which would require more information for an accurate reply or where I've been ambigous with my wording then please feel free to let me know and I'll try clear things up.


  2. Stick with bean counting mate.
  3. Finish the bean counting, add a bit of bean flicking and stop watching Zulu Dawn you flid.Finish your degree then start worrying if your a big enough twat to be an officer mate.

    Camaraderie. Not jackanory ya tart.
  4. Not the most helpful replies but thanks all the same.

    Accounting isn't for me so I wont be continuing with it, it was just an easy degree to get. As for finishing my degree first, I have one exam left and then I'm finished, hence why I'm trying to get a few answers now.

    Anyone got anything a little more helpful to add?
  5. Try joining a volunteer organisation to enable you to develop a little humility. You are coming across a a cock in your posts. Note that the army is a deadly serious occupation and not some glamorous dream about serving Queen and country.

  6. Fair enough, apologies for coming across as being rather full of myself, that wasn't my intention and I'll try re-reading my posts before posting them to prevent myself from misrepresenting myself again.
    I have no delusions of military careers being the 'glamorous dream', however I do believe that it is an occupation where you will be tested to your limits and one which will develop me as a person far more than any other occupation can offer.
  7. H3

    H3 LE

    Go and have a lengthy chat with your local ACIO recruiter ..... Or just get second hand dribble from us lot !
  8. I'm doing that tomorrow, I just felt a bit of information on here would do me a few favours. I've seen quite a few posts with people claiming that recruiters mislead and 'window-dress' the positions available to entice people in and although I find this hard to believe, I'd still rather ask for advice from active people rather than purely relying on the information of a recruiter :)
  9. Good luck with it.
  10. I think a more helpful answer is that every question you ask has been asked and answered 50+ times....trawl the officer threads and stickies for a wealth of info.

    Good luck
  11. 1) The % that pass AOSB Main Board is ~50. This rises to about 80 for those on their second attempt.

    2) Well, not that I'm aware of. From my experience, be prepared for interviewers to say "do you have any family members in the armed forces? No? So why do you want to join?"

    Can't say I ever figured out why this question seems to feature so prominently, but hey, I'm not an interviewer

    3) army.mod.uk
    Read every page on there, and if you have any further questions, come back.

    Also, a personal bugbear of mine:
    If I had a pound for every time someone has told me I'm wasting my degree by joining up...
    Oh, that's right, military service and educational attainment / intellectual ability are mutually exclusive, aren't they?

    But hey, it was "brought to your attention" - i.e. either your mum or some champagne socialist gave you lip, and you lacked the bollocks to argue your corner. The same brand of leftie gobshite who has spent the last few years trotting out that same brand of tired, ill-researched and ill-thought out lines at me, and can probably be found selling the Socialist Worker at train stations. Amiright?

    Oh, and think of a better explanation for accountancy than "it was easy". After all, if you want to be "tested to your limits", then why did you pick a degree based on ease?
  12. TheIronDuke

    TheIronDuke LE Book Reviewer

    What a mature move. It is brave of you to ask on here, rather than ask someone who is trained, experienced and paid to answer questions from people who have chosen a carreer in accountacy because it was easy. Have you considered Cottaging? I have first hand experience and can be in Yorkshire in a couple of hours. PM me, yah?
  13. Yorkshire Lad, you will not find that the recruiters leap on you with open arms because you have a degree; many indeed do soldier entry with such. There are some cracking good quality guys doing just that.

    What you need to convince them of is that you can rub along with people, (though not obligatory to accept The Iron Duke's invitation!), are of a reasonable intelligence, really want to do what you say for good reasons, and will be looking not just at your academic life but at you as a person.

    They will be looking to a guy who can see something difficult and out of his previous comfort zone, and take it as a challenge and work through the boring bits to win.

    It is no disadvantage to have no previous military experience, and many at Sandhurst will have none. Cadet Forces do not really count as previous military experience, though they do give many young people some knowledge of and interest in the army, experience of being away from their home comfort zones, experience of activities which they have needed to make real effort to meet challenges, and some experience of leading their juniors.

    In the army you will meet people with mucho money, and people with little, as you will in civvy life, and in civvy life to succeed you will need to be thick-skinned and accept that some people will speak down to you at times.

    So yes, you will probably feel you are treated as crap sometimes, but, it usually has a purpose, and is not usually just someone putting you down for their own satisfaction or amusement, or to block your career advancement, as you will find as a civvy. The process does go some way to blunting over-arrogance beyoind their real abilities in some young men.

    Speak to your recruiters, see what they tell you about what being a soldier involves, ask them what their honest opinion is of your chances and what you can do to improve them, and of what differences there are in the careers of young officers in different Regiments.

    If you don't want academic challenge, don't admit it, you will get it, I believe, in ALL the Corps and Regiments in the future 20 years. One of my ex cadets did direct entry Sandhurst, but 26years later his career has required degree and two separate masters degrees.

    Then, most important, be honest with yourself about what you want from the profession of arms and see if there is a match. If you have a genuine interest and fit, you will do well; if you see is as any sort of further easy option you will be disappointed somewhere along the line!
  14. Jamie,

    If I were you I would read around the subject of joining the armed forces at the officer level alot more. I'm like you in wanting to join the army as an officer and my biggest advice to you would be to get a sponsor, someone who knows what they're talking about and will guide you through the process. I have found mine really helpful. I have no military experience - the only knowledge I have is from my grandfather and his father before him.

    Read around the subject, there is lots of information out there about Sandhurst, about life in the army, about how people are treated - I have my briefing next month and I'm fully aware I'm starting a long and hard slog even before I can look at the academy, yet alone when I get there.

    One book I have found useful is the junior officers reading club by Patrick Hennesy - have a look at that. He details his experiences of Sandhurst in great detail and its pretty eye-opening stuff.

    As for which regiment etc you want to join - read the website, like you have been advised and also see if you can book visit days. I'm hoping to hear back from the engineers soon and after my briefing the Royal Artillery.

    Best of luck - hope it goes well for you,