Just as a matter of interest.

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Taffd

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I inherited my Dad's medals and while I'm never going to sell them, I'm wondering what sort of monetary value they have.

They are:-

Atlantic Star
Africa Star
Burma Star
Italy Star
1939-1945 Star
Korea Medal
UN Korea Medal
Near East Medal
War Medal (1939-1945)
LS&GS Medal

I've looked at various sites but can't find a similar rack, and I don't want to have to pay for a valuation for something I'm never going to sell.

Anybody got any rough idea please?
 
#2
I inherited my Dad's medals and while I'm never going to sell them, I'm wondering what sort of monetary value they have.

They are:-

Atlantic Star
Africa Star
Burma Star
Italy Star
1939-1945 Star
Korea Medal
UN Korea Medal
Near East Medal
War Medal (1939-1945)
LS&GS Medal

I've looked at various sites but can't find a similar rack, and I don't want to have to pay for a valuation for something I'm never going to sell.

Anybody got any rough idea please?
They are of little value to you, but mean a great deal to the man that earned them. No value in monetary form can ever be placed on a service man's medals.
 
#3
They are of little value to you, but mean a great deal to the man that earned them. No value in monetary form can ever be placed on a service man's medals.
Very true, but after what he went through to get them...and how little it meant to every government department since then, I'd bet he'd want this family to benefit from them more than he probably did.

It wouldn't hurt to spend a few bob getting them valued.

My daughter can sell mine to the highest bidder when I fade away....they'll be no use to me, where I'm going.
 
#4
I inherited my Dad's medals and while I'm never going to sell them, I'm wondering what sort of monetary value they have.

They are:-

Atlantic Star
Africa Star
Burma Star
Italy Star
1939-1945 Star
Korea Medal
UN Korea Medal
Near East Medal
War Medal (1939-1945)
LS&GS Medal

I've looked at various sites but can't find a similar rack, and I don't want to have to pay for a valuation for something I'm never going to sell.

Anybody got any rough idea please?
Interesting group - what service was he?
 
#5
Looks like a good, long-service RN/RM group. Dependant on the ships that he served in and with supporting paperwork and phots, maybe £300.

What rank is the LSGC? That can have a bearing also.
 
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They are of little value to you, but mean a great deal to the man that earned them. No value in monetary form can ever be placed on a service man's medals.
What a strange reply.

How did you glean the value I place on them, and seeing as you didn't know my Dad, how the flying **** do you work out that they meant a great deal to him?

In fact, I suggest they mean more to me than they did to him. He was never much arsed with them, simply stuffed them in a box and forgot about them. It's me who's got them framed and up on the wall.

And as for your last sentence - utter, utter bollocks. Websites abound putting monetary values on racks of medals.
 
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Taffd

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Very true, but after what he went through to get them...and how little it meant to every government department since then, I'd bet he'd want this family to benefit from them more than he probably did.

It wouldn't hurt to spend a few bob getting them valued.

My daughter can sell mine to the highest bidder when I fade away....they'll be no use to me, where I'm going.
I don't think he ever thought about his family getting any sort of benefit from them. I like to think he'd be pleased with what I've done with them.

Again, I've no interest in selling them, but I would like them to be worth something.

Used to work with a fella many moons ago who's hobby was medals. He'd get a set, then build a biography of the recipient. And the more mundane the set, the more ordinary the recipient, the more pleasure he got from it. Making something of somebody forgotten, sort of thing.
 
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Looks like a good, long-service RN/RM group. Dependant on the ships that he served in and with supporting paperwork and phots, maybe £300.

What rank is the LSGC? That can have a bearing also.
RN. Got his service docs, as well as some phots and some signals about VJ Day.

Don't know about the LS&GC. Also, he had a rosette for one of the medals but it's lost and I'm unsure which one it was for.

Thanks for your input.
 
#9
They are of little value to you, but mean a great deal to the man that earned them. No value in monetary form can ever be placed on a service man's medals.
Agreed Taff, you made it quite clear you don't want to sell. I'd expect it would be a good idea to get a proper valuation for insurance purposes, even though anything paid out would be paltry to the real value.

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RN. Got his service docs, as well as some phots and some signals about VJ Day.

Don't know about the LS&GC. Also, he had a rosette for one of the medals but it's lost and I'm unsure which one it was for.

Thanks for your input.
The rosette got me thinking.

I don't think that a rosette was issued for any of the WW2 stars but I do recollect that a (very) few had sewn on bars specifiying theatre or membership of a unit such as aircrew. I have seen WW2 stars with the MID leaves on them.
(I note that your dad got five stars but I recall that the War Office only ever issued up to three maximum at any one time, there may be exemptions and exceptions to this rule but I'm pretty sure it is correct.)

The 2 Korea medals should not have any rosette attached IIRC but am happy to be corrected.

The 1939-45 war medal doesn't have any attachments beyond possible MID IIRC.
(Bit baffled as to the absence of the 1939-45 Defence Medal which even my Home Guard Grandad got, maybe service at sea didn't act as a qualifier for this medal but I don't know).

Don't know the rules regarding devices on RN LS&GC medals.

This leaves the Near East Medal which I have never heard of.
Could be possible that this medal was issued with an In Theatre rosette to distinguish participants from planners in the way that the 1982 South Atlantic Medal did?

If the medals still have them, you could look closely at the ribbons and they might give you a clue as to the original whereabouts of the rosette.
 
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'Near East' was a bar to the RN GSM. Issued for service in the Suez crisis 1956.
 
#12
What a strange reply.

How did you glean the value I place on them, and seeing as you didn't know my Dad, how the flying **** do you work out that they meant a great deal to him?

In fact, I suggest they mean more to me than they did to him. He was never much arsed with them, simply stuffed them in a box and forgot about them. It's me who's got them framed and up on the wall.

And as for your last sentence - utter, utter bollocks. Websites abound putting monetary values on racks of medals.
And yet you can't seem to get a valuation? Strange. Anyhoo, try the British Medals Forum, it's full of collectors and expert types, they'll give you a good steer.
 
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And yet you can't seem to get a valuation? Strange. Anyhoo, try the British Medals Forum, it's full of collectors and expert types, they'll give you a good steer.
You may have missed the bit where I said I couldn't find a similar rack.

Thanks for the forum tip.
 
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The rosette got me thinking.

I don't think that a rosette was issued for any of the WW2 stars but I do recollect that a (very) few had sewn on bars specifiying theatre or membership of a unit such as aircrew. I have seen WW2 stars with the MID leaves on them.
(I note that your dad got five stars but I recall that the War Office only ever issued up to three maximum at any one time, there may be exemptions and exceptions to this rule but I'm pretty sure it is correct.)

The 2 Korea medals should not have any rosette attached IIRC but am happy to be corrected.

The 1939-45 war medal doesn't have any attachments beyond possible MID IIRC.
(Bit baffled as to the absence of the 1939-45 Defence Medal which even my Home Guard Grandad got, maybe service at sea didn't act as a qualifier for this medal but I don't know).

Don't know the rules regarding devices on RN LS&GC medals.

This leaves the Near East Medal which I have never heard of.
Could be possible that this medal was issued with an In Theatre rosette to distinguish participants from planners in the way that the 1982 South Atlantic Medal did?

If the medals still have them, you could look closely at the ribbons and they might give you a clue as to the original whereabouts of the rosette.
Thanks for your input. Led me to a website that I've now lost 'cos this laptop crashed. However, up to 5 stars were allowed. The silver rose (rosette) would be either because he was entitled to the Pacific Star as well as the Burma Star, or the French and German Star as well as the Atlantic Star. Probably the Pacific.

It would appear that he also qualified for the Defence Medal - can't think why he didn't have one.

Near East is indeed the GSM.

Thanks to all so far.
 
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Thanks for your input. Led me to a website that I've now lost 'cos this laptop crashed. However, up to 5 stars were allowed. The silver rose (rosette) would be either because he was entitled to the Pacific Star as well as the Burma Star, or the French and German Star as well as the Atlantic Star. Probably the Pacific.

It would appear that he also qualified for the Defence Medal - can't think why he didn't have one.

Near East is indeed the GSM.

Thanks to all so far.
The post was from memory and I made a balls up.

Upon checking, it appears that that all the WW2 stars that your dad held (barring the Italy Star) could carry rosettes that represented some type of extra element to the criteria of the medal award.

I'll have a mooch about re the '3 star maximum' rule that I mentioned, I recalled this from memory as well so it would be good (or bad) for my memory to try to trace it.
 
#17
Just had a look at the 1939-45 Defence Medal rules and they seem to state that the medal was only issued for 3 years minimum service in the UK during that time so maybe your dad dipped out because he was away actually fighting in the war on various fronts.

Seems a bit unfair but its absence tends to single out a person who spent the entire war on active service and therefore could be something to be quite pleased (and maybe proud) about.
 
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Just had a look at the 1939-45 Defence Medal rules and they seem to state that the medal was only issued for 3 years minimum service in the UK during that time so maybe your dad dipped out because he was away actually fighting in the war on various fronts.

Seems a bit unfair but its absence tends to single out a person who spent the entire war on active service and therefore could be something to be quite pleased (and maybe proud) about.
Apparently, all those in the armed forces were entitled to the Defence Medal.

Edit. That was bollocks, it was a non-operational medal, that's why he didn't qualify.
 
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Apparently, all those in the armed forces were entitled to the Defence Medal.
I only read the Wiki description but that seemed to preclude it from active service overseas.

Have a look, here >> Defence Medal (United Kingdom) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe inaccurate but this bloke seems to say something similar here (scroll down to Defence Medal section) >> World War Two Medals

Let me know what you think but those descriptions seem to preclude the award to those serving abroad or have I totally misunderstood what they have written (assuming both articles are accurate).

By the way, the second site says you are right on the '5 stars' thing. don't know where I got the other info from, sorry.

EDIT : Got your last edit after posting this Taff.
 

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And the more mundane the set, the more ordinary the recipient, the more pleasure he got from it. Making something of somebody forgotten, sort of thing.
I really like the thought of that!

It would appear that he also qualified for the Defence Medal - can't think why he didn't have one.
It's not automatic that he would. The Def Med was for UK based service and non-operational service overseas. Unless his ship was berthed, or he was shoreside, for a year in India, the W.Indies or S.Africa, or of course was based in the UK for 3 years, he won't have qualified.

As for the rosette, it was issued to denote a clasp on the medal riband when wearing just a ribbon bar for any Star that merited a clasp. The Italy Star was the only medal where no clasps were awarded at all and hence no ribbon rosette.
1939-45 Star had a Gilt Rose for the Battle of Britain Clasp;
Atlantic Star had a Silver Rosette for both France and Germany or Air Crew Europe clasps;
Air Crew Europe Star had a Silver Rosette for both France and Germany or Atlantic clasps;
Africa Star had a Silver Rosette for RN, RAF & 18th Army Group HQ clasps (also a Silver '1' and '8' for 1st and 8th Army);
Pacific Star had a Silver Rosette for Burma Clasp;
Burma Star had a Silver Rosette for Pacific Clasp;
France and Germany Star had a Silver Rosette for both Air Crew Europe or Atlantic clasps;
 

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