Junior Leader Regiments - Big mistake

#1
Very big mistake getting rid of the Junior leader regiments , excellent source of recruitment for long term soldiers. You joined up so young that the army became your life - you knew nothing else.
Most of the Snco's / Warrant officers I met, probably 90% were ex Junior / boy soldiers.
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#3
It was the most stupid short sighted cut the army ever made and these serious effects are now being felt army wide. They were the Sandhurst for the future SNCOs and WOs and of course many later became officers.
 
#6
Mike_2817 said:
How are the 'Army Foundation Collage' Boys & Girls getting on? Are they anything like the old Junior Leaders?
My cousin went through one and is coming out after his four years to become a barman... I think that speaks for itself
RH
 
#7
I went through Army foudation college in '98, I think that the difference in training showed at the phase two training reg, saying that I got out after 6 years so who am I to say?!?
 
#8
I'm not so sure. Fair enough there are a lot of SNCOs who are ex JLs. I've found that a lot of young guys i.e ex ATs got out at the earliest oppurtunity, they seemed to be dissilusioned with it. Also because they knew nothing about civvy street they seemed think that the streets were paved with gold, they would get an awesomly paid job just like that and could still work the hours they did in the army. DOH! Also I don't agree with one of the reasons they give for joining as an AT: you will get promoted quicker once you get to your unit. Fair enough if they were an AT NCO they did ok in training however there is a big difference between training and being in a working unit. At a unit it doesn't matter if a sapper spent 3 months doing basic training or 8 (or whatever it is) months doing basic training, it is how they perform in their troop that counts. I know plenty of ex JLs who are still JNCOs after 10 - 15 years service despite being top notch and, as an ex JL, apparently being a future RSM although the lottery that are promotion boards does have something to do with this. My mate asked me a few years ago if he should join as an AT or wait a few months and join as an adult entry. I replied "AT, twice the length in training, twice the B/S and half the pay", which I think is a fair enough summary. Also on the old pension any time served before 18 didn't count towards bonuses and pension so you would do 7 years before getting your 5 year money, 10 years before your 8 year money and 24 years before getting your pension.
 
#9
plant_life said:
I'm not so sure. Fair enough there are a lot of SNCOs who are ex JLs. I've found that a lot of young guys i.e ex ATs got out at the earliest oppurtunity, they seemed to be dissilusioned with it. Also because they knew nothing about civvy street they seemed think that the streets were paved with gold, they would get an awesomly paid job just like that and could still work the hours they did in the army. DOH! Also I don't agree with one of the reasons they give for joining as an AT: you will get promoted quicker once you get to your unit. Fair enough if they were an AT NCO they did ok in training however there is a big difference between training and being in a working unit. At a unit it doesn't matter if a sapper spent 3 months doing basic training or 8 (or whatever it is) months doing basic training, it is how they perform in their troop that counts. I know plenty of ex JLs who are still JNCOs after 10 - 15 years service despite being top notch and, as an ex JL, apparently being a future RSM although the lottery that are promotion boards does have something to do with this. My mate asked me a few years ago if he should join as an AT or wait a few months and join as an adult entry. I replied "AT, twice the length in training, twice the B/S and half the pay", which I think is a fair enough summary. Also on the old pension any time served before 18 didn't count towards bonuses and pension so you would do 7 years before getting your 5 year money, 10 years before your 8 year money and 24 years before getting your pension.
and then some..................does not make me a bad person though :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
#11
A_Knocker_Till_The_End said:
plant_life said:
I'm not so sure. Fair enough there are a lot of SNCOs who are ex JLs. I've found that a lot of young guys i.e ex ATs got out at the earliest oppurtunity, they seemed to be dissilusioned with it. Also because they knew nothing about civvy street they seemed think that the streets were paved with gold, they would get an awesomly paid job just like that and could still work the hours they did in the army. DOH! Also I don't agree with one of the reasons they give for joining as an AT: you will get promoted quicker once you get to your unit. Fair enough if they were an AT NCO they did ok in training however there is a big difference between training and being in a working unit. At a unit it doesn't matter if a sapper spent 3 months doing basic training or 8 (or whatever it is) months doing basic training, it is how they perform in their troop that counts. I know plenty of ex JLs who are still JNCOs after 10 - 15 years service despite being top notch and, as an ex JL, apparently being a future RSM although the lottery that are promotion boards does have something to do with this. My mate asked me a few years ago if he should join as an AT or wait a few months and join as an adult entry. I replied "AT, twice the length in training, twice the B/S and half the pay", which I think is a fair enough summary. Also on the old pension any time served before 18 didn't count towards bonuses and pension so you would do 7 years before getting your 5 year money, 10 years before your 8 year money and 24 years before getting your pension.
and then some..................does not make me a bad person though :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just not a very nice one :twisted:
Or a flyer like me 8O
 
#12
HEART_STOPPER said:
A_Knocker_Till_The_End said:
plant_life said:
I'm not so sure. Fair enough there are a lot of SNCOs who are ex JLs. I've found that a lot of young guys i.e ex ATs got out at the earliest oppurtunity, they seemed to be dissilusioned with it. Also because they knew nothing about civvy street they seemed think that the streets were paved with gold, they would get an awesomly paid job just like that and could still work the hours they did in the army. DOH! Also I don't agree with one of the reasons they give for joining as an AT: you will get promoted quicker once you get to your unit. Fair enough if they were an AT NCO they did ok in training however there is a big difference between training and being in a working unit. At a unit it doesn't matter if a sapper spent 3 months doing basic training or 8 (or whatever it is) months doing basic training, it is how they perform in their troop that counts. I know plenty of ex JLs who are still JNCOs after 10 - 15 years service despite being top notch and, as an ex JL, apparently being a future RSM although the lottery that are promotion boards does have something to do with this. My mate asked me a few years ago if he should join as an AT or wait a few months and join as an adult entry. I replied "AT, twice the length in training, twice the B/S and half the pay", which I think is a fair enough summary. Also on the old pension any time served before 18 didn't count towards bonuses and pension so you would do 7 years before getting your 5 year money, 10 years before your 8 year money and 24 years before getting your pension.
and then some..................does not make me a bad person though :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just not a very nice one :twisted:
Or a flyer like me 8O
only if you get on the wrong side of me YOU know that (not personally of course).
 
#13
And I know that cos im polite to my elders :D :wink:
 
#14
HEART_STOPPER said:
And I know that cos im polite to my elders :D :wink:
fair enough............................................. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
#16
I'm not knocking ex JL 15 plus year JNCO's or any 15 year plus JNCO, I just think that given the fact that JL's were told you are the future RSM's and they leave as full screws they have been jiffed a bit given what they were told.
 
#17
plant_life said:
I'm not knocking ex JL 15 plus year JNCO's or any 15 year plus JNCO, I just think that given the fact that JL's were told you are the future RSM's and they leave as full screws they have been jiffed a bit given what they were told.
did not take it any other way P_L, how many ex-JL's actually do make it to be a tara :?: :?: :?: :?:

i am more than happy with the way it has panned out for me, c'est la vie :D :D :D :D
 
#19
A_Knocker_Till_The_End said:
plant_life said:
I'm not knocking ex JL 15 plus year JNCO's or any 15 year plus JNCO, I just think that given the fact that JL's were told you are the future RSM's and they leave as full screws they have been jiffed a bit given what they were told.
did not take it any other way P_L, how many ex-JL's actually do make it to be a tara :?: :?: :?: :?:

i am more than happy with the way it has panned out for me, c'est la vie :D :D :D :D


Mate we've had far to many good times to even think about tara :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
 
#20
I did Junior Leaders (RAC) but no one told me i was going to be an RSM, so i didnt. Not did i get stripes, well once but thats another story, however i think they should bring them back.
 

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