Jungle Warfare & Helicopters

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  1. A serious question!!!!!

    Which British Helicopter is best suited to a jungle warfare enviroment....
    not to include the Apache.....
  2. Bell 212/412.

    D'uh. ;)
  3. Its not quite a clean cut as that though is it.

    Puma HC1's operated for many years successfully in Belize and only budget cuts caused their withdraw.

    Surely a good helicopter for jungle operations is one that is a very steady platform for rappelling from?
  4. Rapelling!! We're British we abseil!

    Surely you need a small helicopter that can offload a at least a team of 6 and be able to carry casualties away
  5. I was always under the impression that abseiling is done from a fixed object/against a surface whereas rappelling is done suspended away from a fixed surface, ie: from a bridge, helicopter, overhang.
  6. TheIronDuke

    TheIronDuke LE Book Reviewer

    I always thought rappelling was Belgian for Surprise Sex?

    Er, would that be the Aérospatiale Puma? Theres a clue in the name. and the funny é

    It’s a French sock.

    And the Sea King, while satisfyingly noisy and smelly, is a Septic sock.

    We don’t make budgies, although Arthur D. Wilberforce of Arbuthnot, Yorkshire did invent them.

    So the answer is, a S-64 Skycrane. Or the CH-54. Or one of those sexy Bell Jets with retractable wheels. Whatever. So long as it turns up on time and scares the monkeys, it’s the best Brit jungle warfare helicopter.
  7. Whichever. But I still think the Wessex was/is very steady.
  8. No spares was the real reason, money cannot buy what doesn't exist.
  10. TheIronDuke

    TheIronDuke LE Book Reviewer

    The Wessex? Home to the 'Westland Scandal', using ubiquitous Sikorski technology and now owned by the people who brought you the MV Augusta?

    A wop sock?

    One hates to nit-pick, but a British helicopter, as opposed to a British fabricated helicopter, is a bit of a mares nest.
  11. What about the old fashioned Scout?
  12. I always liked the early Scout, a very fine little machine. We used them in Thailand and much of the Far East. Very reliable, small, decent turn of speed, and tremendous visibility with that glass bubble front end. Always with the doors off, of course.
  13. Surely the question is meant to be "which helicopter in service with the British etc"?

    Wouldn't Merlin give it a good crack? If there were enough to go around? And as they use the Bell 212 jobbies there, you would like to hope that they were best suited or surely they would use something else (Lynx?).

    Maybe the Westland licenced S-60 Black Hawk would be pretty good?
  14. Whatever it is it needs:
    - winch capability (essential in Jungle environment)
    - good crash worthiness
    - ability to carry 4-8 men with patrol kit
    - stretcher capability
    - skids, not wheels
    - options as a weapon platform if reqd

    Huey, Wessex, Sea King and Puma have all been used to good effect. Merlin etc too big unless you are using for large troop numbers onto large LZs ala Air Cav style. Had to insert the entire recce Pl by Gazelle in Belize; GPMGs had to be stripped down in order to fit.
  15. The Scout is the answer!!!!

    It didn't have a 'bubble' though, that belonged to the Sioux.