Juba the Iraqi sniper

#2
The Guardian spelled the name of the weapon wrong. It should be "Tabuk" if anybody wants to google it. It's similar to a Dragunov SVD, but fires 7.62 x 39 mm, as opposed to the 7.62 x 54 mm of the Dragunov.

MsG
 
#3
You sure he's Iraqi? I'm sure there is a capable RG sniper with this sort of mental discipline, but look at the images from the fighting in Al-Najaf last year, and see what you can see.
 
#8
I'm not so convinced from the reporting that this sniper is as good as the reports make out. He appears to be hitting from 200m with a sniper rifle from a prepared position in urban areas with presumably minimal wind - I suspect that with some range time most of us could do that. Hell, he's not even using a rifle cartridge if the reports are correct, it's AK ammo.

The fact that he fires one shot then bugs out can also be interpreted as the actions of a man who wishes to live and places prudence ahead of valour. If he gets spotted the Marines will nail him PDQ, so take the shot and run. We tend to forget about the Iran-Iraq war and the trained soldiers still kicking about from that, so it need not be an import.

The conspiracy theorist might suggest that the actions are the work of a team rather than an individual - that way if one does get nailed the myth lives on. Which neatly brings me to the point that mythologising this sniper is what the opposition want. They want a shadowy threat to keep the Americans awake at night and a hero boldly taking on foreign occupiers from the world's superpower for the locals.

The answer of course is enough troops to place permanent OPs to nail this scrote or some decent int to pick him up.
 
#9
jagman said:
And more to the point, if he only ever shoots once and never takes a second, how'd he shoot four of them in the head?
You have a point, but what is a four man USMC team doing so wrong that they get killed with four shots ?
 
#10
One_of_the_strange said:
The fact that he fires one shot then bugs out can also be interpreted as the actions of a man who wishes to live and places prudence ahead of valour.
thats the way ahead. This man, if he exists, is a trained soldier and not one of the nutcase 'standby virgins, im on my way' insurgents.

One_of_the_strange said:
We tend to forget about the Iran-Iraq war and the trained soldiers still kicking about from that
good point, of course there are, the well publicised story of the SBS getting ambushed and allegedly doing a runner is proof that the Iraqi army had some very well trained troops.

It may be one man, it may be a whole group but it seems to be having the desired effect on the morale of US troops in the area.
 
#15
Didn't they get the Pinky as well? The pictures were shown at the time on Al-Manar or Gulf news. All the weapons laid out including M16/203 and LAW and other bits of exotica. I wondered at the time if they had personal weapons captured on display, did we have people in the bag or even dead.

The Iraqis had some very well trained and very motivated people. But Bremner sacked them without pay remember? :(
 
#16
Looking at the thread about Iraqi culture:

If a insurgent gets $20'000 (I'm not sure the figure) for killing one American, then he's well on his way for providing his clan and family with the living standard they appreciate, thus helping his honor and that of the clan.

Of course, if he dies, then they lose that income. So he treat his kills like a income.

Was there not a similar story in northern Ireland? One shot paddy or summit?
 

Mr Happy

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#17
I guess, if true, the USMC four man team was executed rather than sniped to death....

The one shot paddy was rumoured to be a yank, it was all to do with the .50 and stuff.
 

Mr Happy

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#18
Filbert Fox said:
One_of_the_strange said:
The fact that he fires one shot then bugs out can also be interpreted as the actions of a man who wishes to live and places prudence ahead of valour.
thats the way ahead. This man, if he exists, is a trained soldier and not one of the nutcase 'standby virgins, im on my way' insurgents.

One_of_the_strange said:
We tend to forget about the Iran-Iraq war and the trained soldiers still kicking about from that
good point, of course there are, the well publicised story of the SBS getting ambushed and allegedly doing a runner is proof that the Iraqi army had some very well trained troops.

It may be one man, it may be a whole group but it seems to be having the desired effect on the morale of US troops in the area.
The SBS thing blamed yank Int for its wrong insertion if I recall, and of course they left behind them a very valuable piece of kit that has certain folk shitting themselves if rumour is true...
 
#19
Mr Happy said:
Filbert Fox said:
One_of_the_strange said:
The fact that he fires one shot then bugs out can also be interpreted as the actions of a man who wishes to live and places prudence ahead of valour.
thats the way ahead. This man, if he exists, is a trained soldier and not one of the nutcase 'standby virgins, im on my way' insurgents.

One_of_the_strange said:
We tend to forget about the Iran-Iraq war and the trained soldiers still kicking about from that
good point, of course there are, the well publicised story of the SBS getting ambushed and allegedly doing a runner is proof that the Iraqi army had some very well trained troops.

It may be one man, it may be a whole group but it seems to be having the desired effect on the morale of US troops in the area.
The SBS thing blamed yank Int for its wrong insertion if I recall, and of course they left behind them a very valuable piece of kit that has certain folk shitting themselves if rumour is true...
Are you talking about a little black box? ;-) The same box that was 'squared' out in later pictures on the tv?

If it was spam int, why was someone sacked?
 

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