JPA Logins

#1
So they put on this new JPA system.

They tell me I must complete the online JPA thingy bob.

They tell me I must also complete the line managers online JPA wotsit.

Both of which I MUST carry out before April or there will be trouble. Oooo.

However, they won't give me a JPA login so I can't actually use the damn thing and now I've forgotten how it all works.

Discuss.
 
#2
General Melchett said:
So they put on this new JPA system.

They tell me I must complete the online JPA thingy bob.

They tell me I must also complete the line managers online JPA wotsit.

Both of which I MUST carry out before April or there will be trouble. Oooo.

However, they won't give me a JPA login so I can't actually use the damn thing and now I've forgotten how it all works.

Discuss.
Your Unit HR staff are clearly rubbish.
 
#3
Weve got the JPA logins now, everyone in the unit has to have it by 1st June but we havent got terminals for the blokes to use yet.

Ive done both JPA courses aswell but until we get to use it im still a bit baffled. Problem is as a line manager will we be made scape goats if things go wrong :? as we arent clerks and dont have enough hours in the day for our own work never mind admin clerks aswell. :(
 
#4
You do not need to a JPA Login to complete the e-learning packages, visit you clerks they will show you where you can find it. Then when you complete the training, take the completion certificate (which prints out automatically) give it to your clerks and they will give your Login.

It's all very simple but without access you cannot do your job as a man manager properly as there will be workflow building up on your account.

Administration is not just a clerk thing, good leadership encompasses good administration and it is up to all commanders to get on JPA and make it work.
 
#5
Paymaster said:
You do not need to a JPA Login to complete the e-learning packages, visit you clerks they will show you where you can find it. Then when you complete the training, take the completion certificate (which prints out automatically) give it to your clerks and they will give your Login.

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Just make sure that your connected to a printer as your scuppered, Our RAO admitted that when he did it first time he went to print and no printer so had to do it again :wink:
 
#6
Paymaster said:
You do not need to a JPA Login to complete the e-learning packages, visit you clerks they will show you where you can find it. Then when you complete the training, take the completion certificate (which prints out automatically) give it to your clerks and they will give your Login.

It's all very simple but without access you cannot do your job as a man manager properly as there will be workflow building up on your account.

Administration is not just a clerk thing, good leadership encompasses good administration and it is up to all commanders to get on JPA and make it work.
Sadly that is what has come to pass. However a much better system was that during which the Pay Staff were the the experts, allowing Soldiers to soldier whilst their admin was sorted by the RAPC experts. The sad dilution of the RAPC by merging it into a Corps to protect a single 2 Star post has brought us to JPA and the disasters that awit its full inception. It is ashame, neverheless a fact. Unfortunately slating folks for poor admin or leadership and requiring themn to make JPA work does seem a bit strange. Just a thought!
 
#7
The_IRON said:
as we arent clerks and dont have enough hours in the day for our own work never mind admin clerks aswell. :(
Welcome to the life of the AGC (SPS) clerk. Oh it sucks dont it? We also dont have enough hours in the day for our ow work, never mind that of some one from a Sqn, who cant be arsed to read any DIN, Part one Order or such like that has been published.

Crazy!!

:D
 
#8
Billwhyman said:
The_IRON said:
as we arent clerks and dont have enough hours in the day for our own work never mind admin clerks aswell. :(
Welcome to the life of the AGC (SPS) clerk. Oh it sucks dont it? We also dont have enough hours in the day for our ow work, never mind that of some one from a Sqn, who cant be arsed to read any DIN, Part one Order or such like that has been published.

Crazy!!

:D
No problem mate Ill see you out on the tank park in your covvies :D
 
#9
Paymaster said:
You do not need to a JPA Login to complete the e-learning packages, visit you clerks they will show you where you can find it. Then when you complete the training, take the completion certificate (which prints out automatically) give it to your clerks and they will give your Login.

It's all very simple but without access you cannot do your job as a man manager properly as there will be workflow building up on your account.

Administration is not just a clerk thing, good leadership encompasses good administration and it is up to all commanders to get on JPA and make it work.
Is it me, or have you completely missed the point that GM was making? I completed the e learning in April. Do I have a password - no, do I have a login - no, is there any chance of one on the horizon............
 
#10
The_IRON said:
Billwhyman said:
The_IRON said:
as we arent clerks and dont have enough hours in the day for our own work never mind admin clerks aswell. :(
Welcome to the life of the AGC (SPS) clerk. Oh it sucks dont it? We also dont have enough hours in the day for our ow work, never mind that of some one from a Sqn, who cant be arsed to read any DIN, Part one Order or such like that has been published.

Crazy!!

:D
No problem mate Ill see you out on the tank park in your covvies :D
I actually think i am the only clerk i know with a set of covvies. From being a bad boy, but hey ho. I would love to get out on to the tank park, but the boss has me in the office, chained to the desk, sorting out other peoples admin! Shit happens eh?

:D
 
#11
drain_sniffer said:
Paymaster said:
You do not need to a JPA Login to complete the e-learning packages, visit you clerks they will show you where you can find it. Then when you complete the training, take the completion certificate (which prints out automatically) give it to your clerks and they will give your Login.

It's all very simple but without access you cannot do your job as a man manager properly as there will be workflow building up on your account.

Administration is not just a clerk thing, good leadership encompasses good administration and it is up to all commanders to get on JPA and make it work.
Is it me, or have you completely missed the point that GM was making? I completed the e learning in April. Do I have a password - no, do I have a login - no, is there any chance of one on the horizon............
Rng the JPAC and they will ask you for your National insurance number, give them that, and you will get a password. Any Clerk worth his/her salt would tell you that. Just need to ask mate!!
 
#12
Like 90% of the british army 'ignorance is bliss for Jpa' soldiers have taken for granted the fact the clerk has looked after them in the past. But time is going to tell, as the soldiers who have paid lip service to thier JPA training its going to bite them on the arrse. Clerks are struggling enough to make sure things are right for a commerical package that has been developed to military salary system....So my advice redo your JPA training - open JSP 752 AND 754/DIN and read and learn something, for the people who cant read this - my suggestion is start janet and john books them work up slowly to JSP's.........It about time soldiers took more responsibility for thier own actions, instead of blaming the clerks, because after all they have themselves with the implementation JPA....... The reason why the culpability will no longer lie with the MOD but with the soldier, thats one the main reasons they developed it , and also to cut clerk posts to save money!
 
#13
bitterandtwisted said:
Like 90% of the british army 'ignorance is bliss for Jpa' soldiers have taken for granted the fact the clerk has looked after them in the past. But time is going to tell, as the soldiers who have paid lip service to thier JPA training its going to bite them on the arrse. Clerks are struggling enough to make sure things are right for a commerical package that has been developed to military salary system....So my advice redo your JPA training - open JSP 752 AND 754/DIN and read and learn something, for the people who cant read this - my suggestion is start janet and john books them work up slowly to JSP's.........It about time soldiers took more responsibility for thier own actions, instead of blaming the clerks, because after all they have themselves with the implementation JPA....... The reason why the culpability will no longer lie with the MOD but with the soldier, thats one the main reasons they developed it , and also to cut clerk posts to save money!
Head, Nail, Hit!!

:D
 
#14
bitterandtwisted said:
Like 90% of the british army 'ignorance is bliss for Jpa' soldiers have taken for granted the fact the clerk has looked after them in the past. But time is going to tell, as the soldiers who have paid lip service to thier JPA training its going to bite them on the arrse. Clerks are struggling enough to make sure things are right for a commerical package that has been developed to military salary system....So my advice redo your JPA training - open JSP 752 AND 754/DIN and read and learn something, for the people who cant read this - my suggestion is start janet and john books them work up slowly to JSP's.........It about time soldiers took more responsibility for thier own actions, instead of blaming the clerks, because after all they have themselves with the implementation JPA....... The reason why the culpability will no longer lie with the MOD but with the soldier, thats one the main reasons they developed it , and also to cut clerk posts to save money!
I welcome the chance to sort my own admin out - perhaps it will mean I get paid correctly for the first time in 5 months, or the fact that money I'm owed gets paid properly, or even my leave card is amended correctly. So get out of your arrogant Ivory tower with your holier than though attitude.

As fro asking JPAC for my login, I guess the FSA on his brief last week was wrong about us all getting issued them "sometime after July" then? I will phone JPAC and find out which one of you is talking bollox
 
#15
JPA E-Learning is available on ArmyNet - no DII terminal needed. Ensure printer present, sit down for an hour and a half, and click away.

Jobs a good'un.
 
#16
The_IRON said:
Just make sure that your connected to a printer as your scuppered, Our RAO admitted that when he did it first time he went to print and no printer so had to do it again :wink:
I didn't have a printer set up on my terminal either so I did a 'Print Screen', pasted it into a word document and emailed it to my admin bods instead.
 
#17
drain_sniffer said:
bitterandtwisted said:
Like 90% of the british army 'ignorance is bliss for Jpa' soldiers have taken for granted the fact the clerk has looked after them in the past. But time is going to tell, as the soldiers who have paid lip service to thier JPA training its going to bite them on the arrse. Clerks are struggling enough to make sure things are right for a commerical package that has been developed to military salary system....So my advice redo your JPA training - open JSP 752 AND 754/DIN and read and learn something, for the people who cant read this - my suggestion is start janet and john books them work up slowly to JSP's.........It about time soldiers took more responsibility for thier own actions, instead of blaming the clerks, because after all they have themselves with the implementation JPA....... The reason why the culpability will no longer lie with the MOD but with the soldier, thats one the main reasons they developed it , and also to cut clerk posts to save money!
I welcome the chance to sort my own admin out - perhaps it will mean I get paid correctly for the first time in 5 months, or the fact that money I'm owed gets paid properly, or even my leave card is amended correctly. So get out of your arrogant Ivory tower with your holier than though attitude.

As fro asking JPAC for my login, I guess the FSA on his brief last week was wrong about us all getting issued them "sometime after July" then? I will phone JPAC and find out which one of you is talking bollox
Well, all the senior officers, and WO's i have been dealing with in my job, have all spoken to JPAC to get theirs, and got them. So maybe your FSA is trying to regulate the use of the system, to start with, maybe thats what he has been told by his higher authority, or maybe he is talking bollox. I couldnt possibly comment. But all our (my unit) Log in's have been ready to go for a while now. Give them a ring and see what happens!

And are you really looking forward to doing your own admin? Just remeber if it all goes wrong, you cant batter down the door of the sub unit clerk, or the Admin Officer. It will be your fault! I have already heard nightmare stories from other units, things going wrong people blaming the clerks, and getting told that it was their fault for not inputting things correctly! Self administration is the way forward, as long as its done right. You may do it, but is the lowly bloke on the ground, who can barely read, gonna be able to? I dont think so.

Good luck in your quest for your login. And good luck with trying to sort your pay out. I hope it works for YOU.

:D
 
#18
bitterandtwisted said:
It about time soldiers took more responsibility for thier own actions, instead of blaming the clerks, because after all they have themselves with the implementation JPA
If it was actually possible to log onto JPA instead of getting the "feck off, we're busy" screen constantly and if my admin didn't require one of my TOT, FofS, Tp SSgt or (civvie) Tp Clk to give up their terminal so that I can log on (Sqn OC's banned us from using the Sqn Clk's terminal), maybe I could take some of that responsibility?
 
#19
In my unit only SNCOs have been issued logins as the rest of the Regt "can't be trusted" - oh and all claims/leave passes etc still have to be submitted in paper form to our (mainly civi) clerks to keep them in a job.
 
#20
jimmys_best_mate said:
bitterandtwisted said:
It about time soldiers took more responsibility for thier own actions, instead of blaming the clerks, because after all they have themselves with the implementation JPA
If it was actually possible to log onto JPA instead of getting the "feck off, we're busy" screen constantly and if my admin didn't require one of my TOT, FofS, Tp SSgt or (civvie) Tp Clk to give up their terminal so that I can log on (Sqn OC's banned us from using the Sqn Clk's terminal), maybe I could take some of that responsibility?
Jimmy's best mucker, you will find that you will be getting terminals put into the garages/Tp offices, for your use. When i dont know, but you will!

Loubella, what has happened at your unit, is wrong. I think you should raise this with your RAO/RAOWO/FSA. If you get no joy with them, write a letter to soldier magazine, and they should give you an answer. YOU should be given your log in, as its now YOUR responsibility to update JPA with YOUR details. Unless of course your unit HR Admin staff are willing to take on that responsibility when it all goes wrong. A question you might want to ask is, how are they gonna sort it, when the JPAC will only speak to YOU, when dealing with YOUR pay/admin. An interesting one. What unit are you??

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