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Jordan Peterson on Cathy Newman

Yokel

LE
I am not sure why an anti racist, anti facist, anti communist, and anti anarchy Psychology Professor with decades of experience of helping people who had been screwed up by their thoughts or following doctrines (both "private sector is bad" and "public sector is bad" will cause problems) is seen as controversial.

The man preaches equality!
 
I am not sure why an anti racist, anti facist, anti communist, and anti anarchy Psychology Professor with decades of experience of helping people who had been screwed up by their thoughts or following doctrines (both "private sector is bad" and "public sector is bad" will cause problems) is seen as controversial.

The man preaches equality!
Wrong sort of equality.

Anyway, 'they' don't want equality.
 

Yokel

LE
Wrong sort of equality.

Anyway, 'they' don't want equality.

Marxist equality means preferential treatment for the self appointed leaders and their henchmen, and tyranny and misery for everyone else.

The notion that an idea cannot be wrong because x said it, or the person who said it is a member of an identity group, is truly terrible.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Marxist equality means preferential treatment for the self appointed leaders and their henchmen, and tyranny and misery for everyone else.

The notion that an idea cannot be wrong because x said it, or the person who said it is a member of an identity group, is truly terrible.
Conversely, that something must be wrong just because someone said it.

Example: Nick Griffin and Asian grooming gangs.

Or anything said by Boris Johnson, etc..
 

Yokel

LE
Mr chairman, do I have to love my neighbour, as he's an ignorent twat stinks of piss?

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Mr Chairman? Do I look like a Communist?

Anyway, yes you do. You could educate him about not pissing himself so much, and introduce him to ARRSE. Perhaps you could show him some seasonal goodwill and buy him a few bars of soap and some incontinence pants?
 
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It seems quite a few people are jumping on the 12 Rules bandwagon, even that utter twat Russell Brand has a book.


Personally, I don't see why anyone should take any notice of some halfwit millionaire whose spent half his life stuffing drugs down his throat and shagging himself silly. He's almost as bad as Bob Geldof.
 

happyuk

War Hero
I'll always thank Peterson for the Cathy Newman interview.

Peterson: "When men and women are left to their own choices, they prefer very different career paths"
Newman: "So what you're saying is all women should be tied down forever and used as cumdumps?"
Peterson: "Aha! Gotcha!"

(or something, can't quite remember)
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
It makes you wonder why a significant part of a generation seem to have forgotten that tradition. Especially when, when they were just babes in arms, they saw the crumbling en masse of a totalitarian system in Eastern Europe.

In theory, they'd have been the generation in the perfect position to rediscover classical liberalism, and believe in freedom. Yet they're the opposite. It's easy to blame the media or teachers, but what abut the parents?
Just thinking about this a little more. The collapse of totalitarian states means that the Marxists lost. So, this is the next stage in the war: target the young and gullible with weasel-word versions of fairness and equality, and why capitalism 'doesn't work'.

Of course, capitalism does work and, generally, Marxism doesn't. So, history has to be re-written.

It's all standard stuff, really.
 

Yokel

LE
Capitalism lets bad ideas fail. So does democracy. Marxism and Fascism do not - I suppose that is the biggest issue and causes those systems to self destruct. But like an exploding jet engine, it is going to be very harmful to anyone nearby.

In the future, totalitarian regimes will poison plants with energy drinks. If it gives a person energy, then Comrade Chairman thinks...
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
Capitalism lets bad ideas fail. So does democracy. Marxism and Fascism do not - I suppose that is the biggest issue and causes those systems to self destruct. But like an exploding jet engine, it is going to be very harmful to anyone nearby.
A really nice distinction - and worth adding - but it still boils down to one works and the other doesn't.
 

pc flaps

War Hero
Just thinking about this a little more. The collapse of totalitarian states means that the Marxists lost. So, this is the next stage in the war: target the young and gullible with weasel-word versions of fairness and equality, and why capitalism 'doesn't work'.

Of course, capitalism does work and, generally, Marxism doesn't. So, history has to be re-written.

It's all standard stuff, really.
I also believe it does, but the response to the financial crisis has made that generation (millennials, Y, whatever you want to call them) vulnerable to the message that it doesn't.

Basically, after the chaos caused by Lehman Bros going under, the authorities in most of the West flinched. They never sent any exec of a bombed-out bank to trial or even looked like doing so. Then there were the "Kevin the Teenager" non-apologies from the bankers who'd privatised the profits and socialised the losses.

A whole generation has grown up seeing them get away with it, and many of them have convinced themselves that capitalism doesn't work as a result. And are then vulnerable to lefty teachers telling them that Marxism never failed, it just wasn't tried properly etc etc. There is a genuine danger of that generation voting in a Corbyn-style left party and a repeat of the 70s. It might turn out that Jezza was only a dry run.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
A whole generation has grown up seeing them get away with it, and many of them have convinced themselves that capitalism doesn't work as a result. And are then vulnerable to lefty teachers telling them that Marxism never failed, it just wasn't tried properly etc etc. There is a genuine danger of that generation voting in a Corbyn-style left party and a repeat of the 70s. It might turn out that Jezza was only a dry run.
I posted this on the BLM thread. 6.51 onwards pertains.
 
Capitalism lets bad ideas fail. So does democracy. Marxism and Fascism do not - I suppose that is the biggest issue and causes those systems to self destruct. But like an exploding jet engine, it is going to be very harmful to anyone nearby.

In the future, totalitarian regimes will poison plants with energy drinks. If it gives a person energy, then Comrade Chairman thinks...

Thats part of the plot in Idiocracy, is it not? Could the future society depicted in Idiocracy be construed as Marxist?
 
I also believe it does, but the response to the financial crisis has made that generation (millennials, Y, whatever you want to call them) vulnerable to the message that it doesn't.

Basically, after the chaos caused by Lehman Bros going under, the authorities in most of the West flinched. They never sent any exec of a bombed-out bank to trial or even looked like doing so. Then there were the "Kevin the Teenager" non-apologies from the bankers who'd privatised the profits and socialised the losses.

A whole generation has grown up seeing them get away with it, and many of them have convinced themselves that capitalism doesn't work as a result. And are then vulnerable to lefty teachers telling them that Marxism never failed, it just wasn't tried properly etc etc. There is a genuine danger of that generation voting in a Corbyn-style left party and a repeat of the 70s. It might turn out that Jezza was only a dry run.

ISTR Long Term Capital Management's honchos having someone else foot the bill a decade before.
 

exsniffer

Old-Salt
Capitalism lets bad ideas fail. So does democracy. Marxism and Fascism do not - I suppose that is the biggest issue and causes those systems to self destruct. But like an exploding jet engine, it is going to be very harmful to anyone nearby.

In the future, totalitarian regimes will poison plants with energy drinks. If it gives a person energy, then Comrade Chairman thinks...
Is it what plants crave?
 
Capitalism lets bad ideas fail. So does democracy. Marxism and Fascism do not - I suppose that is the biggest issue and causes those systems to self destruct. But like an exploding jet engine, it is going to be very harmful to anyone nearby.

In the future, totalitarian regimes will poison plants with energy drinks. If it gives a person energy, then Comrade Chairman thinks...
Simplified Lysenkoism?
 

Bob65

War Hero
I also believe it does, but the response to the financial crisis has made that generation (millennials, Y, whatever you want to call them) vulnerable to the message that it doesn't.

Any of the financial crises in the West, had they happened in any Communist country, would have resulted in millions or tens of millions dying in a famine, and we know this, because it has happened, in Ukraine, in China, is happening right now in Venezuela where they have already eaten their pets and the zoo animals in order to survive.

Our system, for all its flaws, is so resilient that a crisis means you buy a house a few years later than you otherwise would - and have the freedom of speech to moan about it how it's so unfair.
 

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