Jonestown Massacre & Cults

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Spider39

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Once you've read the book, have a look at some of the programs on YouTube to see actual footage from Jonestown and interviews with survivors and relatives of the dead. It's a striking story for numerous reasons. In some ways it is genuinely terrifying. I've had relatives join cults and it is scary sh!t.
I have always had an irrational fear of the bible and religion for this very reason ,imo religion is a cult and nothing more .The odd thing about Jones was that he never claimed to believe in God as he thought he was God ,apparently his mother told him so .


Its odd however how these "generally accepted" cults that encourage the mass murder of its "believers" are almost always in America. Home of the brave land of the worlds most stupid people ......its almost like someone is trying to do the world a favour by offing them
 

Nemesis44UK

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I picked up "Helter Skelter" from Audible and it's a cracking account of Charles Manson and his "family." I highly recommend it, for the first part alone. The trial stuff is not so interesting as the author (and prosecutor of Manson) skips a load of stuff where things got very personal between him and Manson.

Anyway, I have the Jonestown documentary recorded, looks interesting.
 
Oddly enough, as my partners mother and step dad are JWs, I was wondering whether suggesting Eric Claptons 'Knocking on Heavens Door' would be appropriate funeral music for them - don't know why I was thinking that.

When sister in law got wed they deigned to come into the Church service but didn't do the stand up/sit down bit and kept a low profile. As she pointed out 'He can see you you know' - it's the only amusing thing she's ever said, actually, couldn't exactly accuse any of that side of the family as inventing gunpowder!
 
They'd be facked if they were as evidently wind chimes drive them away! 'Die bastards die' scrawled across the front door before a family visit didn't work though
 
I picked up "Helter Skelter" from Audible and it's a cracking account of Charles Manson and his "family." I highly recommend it, for the first part alone. The trial stuff is not so interesting as the author (and prosecutor of Manson) skips a load of stuff where things got very personal between him and Manson.

Anyway, I have the Jonestown documentary recorded, looks interesting.
Read Helter Skelter many years ago and agree, very good book. I found the trial stuff interesting, particularly where Manson jumps the table to get at the prosecutor, but didn't know that parts were missing. Do you know if there's anything more complete available by another author?
 

Brotherton Lad

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Kit Reviewer
I just tell them I am Jewish, they sqerm a bit and leave quickly.
I tell 'em I'm CofE and then we have a short and friendly chat about the weather and the amount of litter.

Seems to work.
 
The JW'w are a cult I think. They are setting a their UK HQ near Chelsmford, Essex. So as long they don't come knocking on my door like the Morons do, or Double Glazing salesmen, I will leave them alone....!!
The Mormons knocked on our door one day. They were not welcome - the conversation went something like this.

Mormon 1: Hello madam have you heard the word of Jesus
Mrs DW: WHAAAAAT? MY HUSBAND IS IN IRAQ AND TWO PEOPLE IN SUITS COME KNOCKING AT MY DOOR...FOR FUCCS SAKE...HAVE YOU ANY IDEA WHAT I WAS THINKING AS I OPENED THE DOOR? FUUUUUUKKK OFFFFFF [SLAM]
 
The church of Scientology have major form for litigation against anybody who publishes information that can be construed as derogatory in any way against them.

Researchers and advisors on cults are particularly wary of them when publishing or expressing their views because litigation as we all know can be a costly business.
A bit like Jerry and Kate. Are they a cult or just irresponsible?
 

Ciggie

On ROPS
On ROPs
yes, cults are dodgy...a friend of mine is a Scientologist, keeps on trying to ram it down my throat...not regularly but softly, despite knowing full well that he´s never going to get me. When a yank bloke working for us found out Eric was a scientologist, he changed his address and phone number...said his brother had been in it and he didn´t want any Scientologists knowing anything about his whereabouts...freaky.
 
One of the aspects of the Jonestown cult which i found really striking was the 'Christian socialist' ideology that they were supposedly following. Whilst it's no suprise to learn that the members worked collectively, it is an interesting fact at how multi-racial the cult was. One of the central tenets of the cult was racial equality, which would be seen as progressive even by todays standards in the US and other countries. Apart from that, the cult set the standard on authoritarian charlatanism.
 
Wasn't there some other bunch of nutters who decided that they were going to get a lift on the Hale-Bopp comet and be taken to Paradise (or somewhere) and the way to hitch a lift was to kill yourself?


This lot

Heaven's Gate (religious group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I must admit, these cults do give me cause to ponder. Is it simply that the leader is so charismatic - that your common or garden average person simply feels a 'need' to follow him/her. Or is it simply he/she (the leader) identifying sheep-le who have are easily led?
 

Lacking Moral Fibre

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Book Reviewer
His son made it out didnt he IIRC?
IIRC a few were off on errands so missed the party, one of the survivors,a white bloke spoke about giving his son the poison and watching him die then deciding that he wanted to live and managing to escape. How the bloke can live with himself is beyond my understanding.
 

Lacking Moral Fibre

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Book Reviewer
Wasn't there some other bunch of nutters who decided that they were going to get a lift on the Hale-Bopp comet and be taken to Paradise (or somewhere) and the way to hitch a lift was to kill yourself?


This lot

Heaven's Gate (religious group) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There was a documentary on one of the lesser know sky channels last week. A lot of the male followers of this cult took themselves off to Mexico in order to have themselves castrated, can't recall what the specific reason was.
 

Travelgall

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Kit Reviewer
There's a movie made about the subject "Guyana Tragedy". Powers Boothe is pretty damn good in it. It's a ropey DVD copy though so I can't be sure. I believe the representative that got shot (Played by Ned Beatty of Deliverance Fame) served in the Military - not unusual for the time and got the usual slew of Federal Buildings named after him.
 
There was a documentary on one of the lesser know sky channels last week. A lot of the male followers of this cult took themselves off to Mexico in order to have themselves castrated, can't recall what the specific reason was.
They saw themselves as a step up the evolutionary ladder - castrating themselves mean't they didn't feel those exciting primal urges which any right think chap or chapess enjoys.
 
IIRC a few were off on errands so missed the party, one of the survivors,a white bloke spoke about giving his son the poison and watching him die then deciding that he wanted to live and managing to escape. How the bloke can live with himself is beyond my understanding.
Or a father strangling or setting his daughter on fire because she 'disgraced' or 'dishonoured' the family.

Yep, nothing says more than committing murder and doing a 15 stretch to restore family honour
 

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