Joint Civil Military Cooperation Group (National TA UNit)

Discussion in 'Army Reserve' started by Praetorian, Aug 16, 2012.

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  1. Rather than crayon all over the board, can someone who knows about or is in this unit please PM me.

    Aside from knowing its role, and the fact that its a national unit, information is scant!
  2. Spaz, massive help, thankyou. The Army website appears to be outdated!

    Again, if anyone has more knowledge, please reply or PM me.

  3. There's been plenty posted about it before. Bravo Bravo or someone keeps starting threads about possibly joining it.

    MMSG always have posts on the OCE list if you're simply looking to deploy - although some have been cut in the past few months due to theatre troops review.
  4. msr

    msr LE

    'Thank you' is two words. There's no need to thankme :)
  5. Prae,

    Contact chavalryman he will be able to help.


  6. Posted on previous thread: use the search button! :)

    Perhaps I can be of help. The initial training is two weeks and covers a range of stabilisation skills such as negotiation, cross-cultural communication, briefs from civilian partners, G9 reporting and analysis, influencing both at an individual and collective level, basic project management, how to work with KLEs and civil communities (e.g running shuras) and culminates in a 5 day (?) exercise. I know the course has evolved since I did it, to reflect more 'stabilisation' than CIMIC.

    I will try and summarise as follows:

    Good points:

    1. Interesting operational role that transcends the tactical, operational and occasionally strategic.
    2. Depending on your line of work, can be more directly CV-enhancing and good for building transferable skills (e.g project management, budgeting, reporting and analysis) than other TA postings.
    3. Opportunities for good training - last year I spent two weeks attached to a regular infantry battalion as OC MSST on Ex ASKARI THUNDER in Kenya and two weeks elsewhere in Africa as part of a team compiling a report on disaster response capabilities. The year before that I was specialist DS on RMA Sandhurst regular final exercise.
    4. Opportunities to work with civilian organisations - usually, but not limited to, FCO, DFID and Stabilisation Unit.
    5. You're quite close, organisationally, to where doctrine and policy is developed; so for example as you come off ops your post op debrief will end up on the desks of some of the key doctrine writers.
    6. Flexible time commitment - the minimum is 19 days for a CoE although my opinion is that ~30 days (e.g a 2 week ATP, 1 week course and 4 weekends) is more realistic.
    7. Very good training on mobilisation (I've heard) - 16 week MSST Course (which also makes up for the lower training commitment when not mobilised). On mobilisation the reservists are integrated with regular IAs and there is little distinction between the two.
    8. Is and is likely to remain highly relevant given the shift in focus in the SDSR (e.g to upstream prevention, multilateral engagement, defence diplomacy, PSO); having not been mobilised yet I can't comment on how effectively this translates into implementation; inevitably there will be a disconnect but I have heard generally favourable comments back from ops.
    9. Wide range of operational roles from SNCO practitioner to SO1 staff officer.
    10. At least over previous Herricks, there has been a lot of time on the ground with rifle companies, which is otherwise fairly rare for many TA officer posts - at least the ones I've come across have usually been working in BGHQ or similar. I think this is less apparent now.

    Bad points:

    1. Struggles (but tries) to maintain a collective unit feeling, owing to it's nature as a joint, hybrid regular and reserve, tri-service, combined arms unit with a nationally recruited reserve element. It's possible to go for a year and a half and not see the same colleagues as a result. Resulting dispersed nature means that there isn't the same sense of belonging that you would get in a regiment.
    2. Low training standards of a specific cohort of individuals; this is balanced against the fact that some of them, whilst not exactly role models, are able to offer expertise that the Army needs from outside but cannot generate organically; and there is a lot of operational experience in the unit to otherwise maintain standards-more so than in most TA units.
    3. The unit is quite staff officer (OF3 upwards) heavy, so don't expect to be playing fireball hockey in the Mess with the other subbies, if you're at that stage in life!
    4. (For me) I'd like to do more military training to counter core skill fade.
    5. Others often don't understand what the unit does and think it's all about painting schools and paying claims; even guys who've attended the foundation course. Building a small part of a wider nation is so much more than that-i.e building the capacity and legitimacy of local and district government to serve the needs of their people.
  7. PM me if you have specific questions
  8. Check your PM's please pressups.
  9. Not I.
  10. Pressups, check PM's again please mate!
  11. Praetorian,

    Rather than PM you privately, I thought I would share this with the great and good.

    I would have to agree with morepressups assessment.

    As mentioned in the previous thread, your admission to the MSSG depends on what knowledge, skills and experience you can bring to add value to the work of the MSSG.

    There is a selection process which is competitive and I've seen people fail.

    For example, last year a regular Major (who was about to leave and wanted to transfer to the MSSG Reserves) was rejected on the grounds that their knowledge, skills and experience were unexceptional compared to others with similar rank and experience within MSSG.