Discussion in 'Sappers' started by simpleton66, Oct 11, 2006.

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  1. Ok im now in my last year of uni. And decided I want to join the Royal Engineers.
    However I can't decide between joining as an officer or a sapper.
    I don't want to join as an officer and take command of a troop without any experience. As I am worried I will fail the people under me.
    Whereas a sapper I wouldn't have that responsibility.
    What are the benefits and short comings of each?

    Any other advice for what regiment/trade to go for in the corps?


    EDIT: For those pedantic people out there. :) :)
  2. 1. There are no Privates in the Royal Engineers, they are Sappers.

    2. There are no Platoons in the Engineers, they are Troops.
  3. There's your answer then.

    That's the nature of the officers/other ranks system. As an officer you will always find people under your command who are more experienced and better at their specialisation than you are. You've got to be able to deal with that.
    The flip side of this is that there's no problem at all with going to university then enlisting as a sapper. It just means that you'll be developing your technical skills before your leadership ones. Which would you prefer?

  4. Sandhurst is there to give you the education you need to lead your guys and if you learn the way to treat them then you guys will look after you. In turn you look after them.

    Especially joining a technical corps, the folks below you WILL know more than you. If you begin thinking you know it all, your doomed! Thats who Officers are leaders, and the guys do the work, you'd only feck it up if you tried to do the work!

  5. Sappers are fairly intelligent people, so we're happy with people with degrees entering at either Sapper or Officer level. Years ago, the Royal Engineers had the lowest entry qualifications for officers (5 O levels, while the Infantry required 2 A levels :? ), so you'll gather that personal ability rather than paper is of prime importance.

    Officers tend to be lumbered with lots of paperwork, particularly documents written in a formal writing style. This is a gentle hint that if you decide to go down the commissioned route, you need to use capital letters where appropriate, as amended in your quote. Some apostrophes and a bit more grammar wouldn't go amiss either.

    I wouldn't worry about taking over a Troop without having any experience. That's the function of training and most new officers will be in the same boat.

    If you start as a Sapper, as you progress through the ranks, you will become more and more involved with the paperwork side of things.

    So, it really boils down to whether you want to start your career with a major headache or gradually build up to having one.

    Either way, the Corps is one of the more grown-up parts of the Army, so I'm sure you'll enjoy the experience.

    Look through the trades listed on and decide what tickles your fancy, either doing it or supervising those who do it. Remember that the list isn't exhaustive and there are other things that you can do.
  6. Then get someone to proof read it for You. :wink:

    Spot on description!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
  7. Cheers guys. I think I will be joining as a sapper.
    Probably have electrician as my trade if i can.
    What kind of qualifications do you get in your trade? Are the compatable out of the army?
    Also are there some regiments that are more active than others for going overseas? Do you get to choose or are you given your placements?
    And also are there any ideas of how I could make this appealing to my parents? I will do it anyway but it would be nice if they supported me. Tried to bring up the subject a while ago and go "Why the fcuk do you want to do that?"

    Sorry for all the questions, I'll be getting down the AFCO soon.

    Cheers guys.
  8. It's a good idea to have the proof-reader look at the original draft too. (one "I" was already in capitals).
  9. The best thing is to be completely honest. Explain that when you go out on the lash with your fellow Sappers and collapse in a vomit-coated heap, there'll still be somebody who will get you back to your bed and tuck you in. That'll be a major comfort for your mum.

    You can win your dad round by telling him that the shopping bill will be reduced when you've joined the Army and that you won't be borrowing his car quite as often.
  10. ''A degree doth not a Sapper officer make(although many have such a qualification)'' .If you do not feel that you are leadership material,you can join up as a sapper.dependent upon your age,and do your basic and trade training.if it appears that you do have leadership qualities,then you still have time(up to the age of 26 I think),to complete officer training.The orps commissions quite a number of people from the ranks.In my first troop,I persuaded 2 to try.One is now a brigadier!
  11. :wink: :D
  12. Fatbadge 1 : Puttees 0

    A clear example of why somebody fresh should check the checked work.

    Is FB fresh? I've heard rumours. :)
  13. Sorry may I add that Private, Officer and Platoon should be capitals as well. Thanks
  14. I'd disagree in the quoted context, but there are occasions when I'd consider you to be correct.

    It depends on whether they're used as common nouns or proper nouns. As none were specifically identified, my view is that they were used as common nouns and therefore rate lower case initial letters.

    No doubt this will spark a major debate.

    (Actually thought somebody would pick up on Ok, rather than OK or even O.K.).