Joining Up - King's Troop RHA

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  1. Hi all,

    I told my dad today that I intend to join the army; in particular the King's Troop - and as father's do, he went off on one at the thought of his little girl being in the military.
    anyway, i need information to throw at him and obviously for myself too.

    I want to join as an officer - I know the route to RMAS, but it is after this which concerns me.

    1) picking a regiment (I think that is the right word, please excuse me being a n00b) - how does this work?
    2) What does the YO course entail for the King's troop? or is there and overall one for the Royal Artillery?
    3) What is the role within the troop once there?

    I must stress - I know this is going to be hardwork, but I used to get up at 4 in the morning to ride when i was about 8, and would go to the horses before school etc. I just want to know my chances of getting where I want to be.
     
  2. Perhaps one of the best methods to gain this information is via you local Army Careers Information Office. Or, possibly the online careers chat, but, it's probably best to do it face to face.

    You could go in once by yourself and ask some questions and then ask if you can go in again with your dad to allay any of his fears.

    Good luck!
     
  3. I'll comment on the bit I know about...

    The way this works is before you turn up at RMAS, you should have visited a number of regiments / corps (so-called 'Fam Visits'). These last from one to a few days, and allow you to meet the soldiers and officers of a regiment, see a bit of what they get up to, and usually entail an interview or two with senior officers.

    At RMAS, you are required to start with two preferred choices. These aren't fixed in stone, and can change. I believe longer visits are arranged during your time there to your two choices. Your choices may offer you the opportunity to go forwards to the Regimental Selection Board in the 2nd term. It is here that final decisions are made. You have further interviews, and offers are made.

    The important thing to note is that there is no guarantee that when you start RMAS, you will end up in the regiment you want.
     
  4. cpunk

    cpunk LE Moderator

    Realistically, if you want to spend your army career working with horses, either in the King's Troop or elsewhere, then you would be better off joining as a soldier. As a direct entry officer in the Royal Artillery, you might get a tour with the King's Troop but that certainly couldn't be guaranteed.

    Otherwise, the route to being a Royal Artillery officer is straightforward. Get a place at Sandhurst; do well there; and nominate the Royal Artillery as your first choice of regiment.
     
  5. I would echo cpunk's advice. In short I think you are a little confused.

    Officers do not go directly to the King's Tp, this is a second or third tour job and will always be secondary to working in an operational gun, air defence or UAV battery. In short King's Tp is simply too small to do your whole career in as an officer.

    Different story for soldiers, King's Tp soldiers are a bit of an oddity in today's army, in that they join as "Horse Gunners" (someone jump in if I have the terminology wrong). This means that by virtue of their trade, they are primarily (or in many cases only) employed within the King's Tp and not accross the wider Royal Artillery (except perhaps sometimes by exception for a short period of time).

    What this means is that if you are joing up in order to work around horses and have no more than a passing interest in soldiering or leadership from day one, join the Royal Artillery as a soldier (in the Horse Gunner trade) and you can pretty much be garunteed what you want.

    If you want to be an officer, you will need to be more focussed on your soldiers than working with horses and accept that although you might get posted to the King's Tp for a couple of years at some stage in your career, if you are lucky, you will spend most of your time with a gun, air defence or UAV battery training for or on operations.
     
  6. Echoed - it's like a cave in here!

    If you want KT, you wont go from YOs BUT you may get 14 Regt or one of the other Larkhill area Regiments (1 RHA, 19 Regt, 32 Regt) as a means of continuing your equine interest - predominantly because Larkhill has a large stable, whereas others do not any more (I have known this to happen).

    You wuold then get your green tour under your belt, prepping the way for your move to KT second tour. Now, it would help if you were an established horsewoman already, as this would persuade them that it is worth giving you these postings with a view to moving to King's Troop later - by which I mean, if you haven't ridden since you were 8, you may have to become Equine Officer at your first Regiment and do all sorts of things (Army and Royal Artillery Hunter Trials, other events) to prove your equine worth. You could then move to KT for your second tour, do you third as an Adjt or something and be in the running for CO King's Troop later.

    The more immediate problems would seem to be persuading your folks (or just your Dad?) that being an Army Officer is a good idea and then getting through Sandhurst.

    I think YOs course still complete a riding course and you can opt to extend that while at Larkhill - 6 months of lessons should see you to a good standard - you could also volunteer to be an Equine Officer (like being on the mess committee or being Hockey Officer) -they are always in short supply these days.
     
  7. Wow, I am really overwhelmed with how useful this site is :D
    django - It's not been too long since I last rode on a regular basis; however I am aware I need to get up to standard again - being younger meant i was fearless, not at 20 I know how hard the ground is and I don't bounce so easily. does this mean that on the Kings Tp page, when it says "you dont need experience with horses" it is a load of bs? What does equine officer entail - I didn't know there were such a thing as sports officer!
    Thank you very much for all your help, knowing what comes after RMAS is useful - persuading my father is still going to be an issue I think (oddly my mum is totally behind me on this)
     
  8. Not talking as an insider here, and not wanting to burst your bubble.

    Be careful throwing your lot in with Kings troop. The Military is in a lot of financial trouble, and if I was betting man, I would say KT was high up on someone's hit list when it came to cuts. They only need to keep F sub (for funeral purposes), the rest look like a luxury in these hard times!!
     
  9. To be honest with you I think that the equine side of the Army may, apart from the Ceremonial Regiments, become an early casualty of the SDSR and associated cost savings. For instance, nothing justifies the cost of the stables in Larkhill, the misemployment of soldiers or the military work time used to facilitate these rather quaint activities.

    I think the way forward for them is to become entirely self funding.
     
  10. Von Paulus - that would be a hard battle to win - the amount of publicity KT produce outweigh the (smallish) cost of keeping a ceremonial unit. What next - stop rotation of Ceremonials through Buckingham Palace?

    Western - the Larkhill stables are not paid for by the military - the respective clubs/societies etc may receive grants (like other sports) but the Larkhill stables is not military any more (I am pretty sure this was the gyst of a recent conversation I was in).

    2johnsb - When you are an officer, there are always "extra-curricular" jobs to be taken on - mess appointments (wines member, messing member, entertainments member etc) and others that are easier to tie in (alpine sports, rugby officer, hockey, football etc). These "appointments" see you act as a point of contact and organiser, help you to hone your organisational skills and look good on your annual report: "Lt Smithers was wines member (kept everyone in good booze), mess treasurer (ensured eveyone paid up for stuff), property member (checked the paintings, painted garden furniture), rugby officer (played rugby, organised games, organised training) as well as being Troop Commander of Bluffer's Troop and doing the normal Tp comd type jobs. Oh and Lt Smithers did an op tour in Afghanistan".

    The mess runs like a communal club - things need to be organised in the background to ensure you can live there comfortably and still have fun. Extra-curricular/extra-mural activities like sports and clubs need someone to run them or be involved.

    You interest in equine stuff could see you volunteering to do something you enjoy, taking on a "title" as Equine Sports Officer or something and therefore improve your chances to go to KT. It would also mean you were less likely to get Officers Mess Gardens member or assistant mess secretary or something less fun...
     
  11. Please don't feed Western anymore than he needs fellas, look at his posts, he is always right.......

    Alfred - please shhhhh. I've just got my flight details for the Army vets match next weekend and don't fancy hitch hiking to Edinburgh.

    To the OP, Im quite surprised that noone has questioned your reasons to be in the Army and in particular to be an Officer. It seems that your primary concern is to work with horses, not to lead men which I find quite concerning.
     
  12. Sparky - to be fair, she did say she wanted to go the officer route, believing she could go straight to KT. As that isn't an option, will that change?
     
  13. Cripes.

    No, I am interested in leading - if I wasn't I wouldn't be going down the officer route. As it isn't an option to go straight into the KT then - at the moment - I will still be joining and doing tours with other regiments first. And my primary concern is not working with the horses per se - it is more the ceremonial stuff that I am interested in. I am not an idiot - if I only wanted to work with horses I could find other ways too.
     
  14. cpunk

    cpunk LE Moderator

    Good. In which case, the best advice is to get in touch with an Army Careers Advisor who can start to give you realistic advice about your next steps. You can do this online via the army careers website or go to your local Army Careers Information Office. He or she might also be able to help you reassure your father that it is a worthwhile career.
     
  15. I am hopefully joining the King's Troop :) Second choice, HR Specialist as that is my current profession. Are you still riding now? I have got a nutty purebred arab mare who is amazing - keeps me on my toes though lol!

    Have you started the application process yet? I hope your Dad has warmed to your idea of joining the Army now.

    Becca xx