Joining the TA after severe depression

#1
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Thanks everyone for your input and they time taken to respond. Even those of you who invoke your right to be as mean as possible to anonymous people on the internet; so brave! much sad, very hurt. :p All I can say is... LOVE AND PEACE! Seriously though, thank you everyone for the guidance and feedback.

Please be open minded and supportive of mental health. The male suicide rate in the UK is three times that of women: http://www.samaritans.org/sites/default/files/kcfinder/files/research/Samaritans Suicide Statistics Report 2014.pdf

The armed forces are a high risk: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23259865

I hope you, or none of your family or friends ever have suicidal thoughts, if they do occur, I hope that you feel comfortable discussing them before things become desperate. I recently lost a friend. He never talked to anyone, I guess we all had a culture of 'man-up' 'skate it off' and other machismo attitudes. I wish we hadn't, the world is less awesome without him in it.

To any future readers of this thread in a similar situation:

My career took a different route and I'm happy where I am. Unfortunately, I have no idea if I would have been let in. There are some pretty valid concerns raised, and some trolls.

Only you know what your capable of or how mentally resilient you are; breaking your mind really demonstrates where the lines are and how it all works. You have right to be angry or sad at some of the comments in this thread, or general attitudes to mental health. Those are perfectly normal emotion responses to inflammatory statements. (Look up 'Gaslighting' for further information.)

You have time. Wait until you are okay, and then give yourself another year to be certain. It takes a while to drag yourself back up. Are you ready to discuss depression with anyone? If someone makes a thoughtless comment regarding depression, eating disorders, etc. are you able to calmly and rationally explain to them why it is is not okay? If you are not comfortable confronting it head on then you may not be over it and I suggest you wait.

You will encounter trolls and asshats. What they say is not acceptable, but there is no way to stop them saying it. Just see how much luck XBox live has regarding the slander against my mother.

Y'all take care!
 
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The_Duke

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#3
Smiler,

A few points for you:

1. There are several threads about this subject already, so a quick use of the search function would be in order.

2. Ask the question at the TA centre you are interested in and they will give you the facts, not internet comment from people who may or may not know what they are on about.

3. Stand by for no end of slagging. Don't expect units to be busting a gut to get a depressed, self harming, suicidal nutter on the books. You may consider yourself mentally sound three months after finishing the happy pills and long chats whilst laying down on a sofa - I wouldn't let you near a butter knife let alone a rifle and ammunition for years yet.
 
#4
My daughter self harmed off and on from age 15 until 23, and despite numerous medications and trips to trick cyclists we, or more importantly, she, could never fathom out why it started, or indeed stopped.

I understand your pain and anxiety, but fear that this is an issue that will not be seen in a positive light by a Military recruiter for some considerable time to come.
 
#6
Do the decent thing, and shoot yourself.

Actually, joining the TA will help with access to weapons.
 
#7
No chance in the immediate future. This is not a question of whether a military recruiter sees it in whatever light but simply a medical policy decision. I'll have a look see if I can find the waiting period but don't get your hopes up.
 
#8
Thanks for replying everyone.

The_Duke: I appreciate your honesty, I don't want to be that recruit that no-one really wants and would rather someone told me they didn't trust me to watch their back than just think it and hate me silently. ... [personal information deleted]

I was hoping that a couple of years in the TA proving that I was reliable would help before applying for the regular army.

I guess I will stop by our army careers centre next week and find out my options.

JD150: Thank you, I don't mind if I have to apply several years running before I am accepted but if there is a standard time I must have a clean medical/psychological record it would be good to know.
 
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#9
At least a 3 year wait.

Self-Harm
3.14.32. This is not a diagnosis as such. It is behaviour, a symptom of an underlying
disorder most usually an anxious/depressive disorder. There is now so much
concern attached to this behaviour that it merits a category of its own, bearing in
mind that any underlying mental health disorder must be excluded.

3.14.33. The majority of candidates with a history of self harm have taken a tablet
overdose. Of the other methods used shallow cutting, most commonly of the arms,
thighs and abdomen is the commonest. Recent evidence shows that this is often an
unusual way of relieving strain via release of natural endogenous opioids and is not
necessary indicative of a major underlying psychiatric problem such as might be
caused by childhood sexual abuse. The spectrum of intent varies from strain relief
by cutting, through manipulative behaviour or emotional blackmail to serious suicidal
intent. It is often difficult to tell from a candidate’s recorded history as to where past
episodes lie on this spectrum. Nonetheless up to date research evidence18 allows
for simple clear advice.

3.14.34. A single episode of self-harm in response to a stressful event occurring
more than 3 years before application is no bar to recruitment provided the 3-year
interim has been free from all symptoms. If there was no stressful event then the
candidate should normally be graded S8, as this indicates an enduring endogenous
risk of further self-harm. Candidates with a history of 2 or more episodes at any
time, even with clear stressors, should normally be graded S8, as repetition indicates
a substantial risk of further repetition and, of more concern, a significant increase in
risk of later death by suicide.
 
#10
#11
under the old rules (which I believe have not changed dramatically)

Self-Harm
3.14.32. This is not a diagnosis as such. It is behaviour, a symptom of an underlying
disorder most usually an anxious/depressive disorder. There is now so much
concern attached to this behaviour that it merits a category of its own, bearing in
mind that any underlying mental health disorder must be excluded.
3.14.33. The majority of candidates with a history of self harm have taken a tablet
overdose. Of the other methods used shallow cutting, most commonly of the arms,
thighs and abdomen is the commonest. Recent evidence shows that this is often an
unusual way of relieving strain via release of natural endogenous opioids and is not
necessary indicative of a major underlying psychiatric problem such as might be
caused by childhood sexual abuse. The spectrum of intent varies from strain relief
by cutting, through manipulative behaviour or emotional blackmail to serious suicidal
intent. It is often difficult to tell from a candidate’s recorded history as to where past
episodes lie on this spectrum. Nonetheless up to date research evidence18 allows
for simple clear advice.
3.14.34. A single episode of self-harm in response to a stressful event occurring
more than 3 years before application is no bar to recruitment provided the 3-year
interim has been free from all symptoms. If there was no stressful event then the
candidate should normally be graded S8, as this indicates an enduring endogenous
risk of further self-harm. Candidates with a history of 2 or more episodes at any
time, even with clear stressors, should normally be graded S8, as repetition indicates
a substantial risk of further repetition and, of more concern, a significant increase in
risk of later death b y suicide
.

as a rough guide you don't stand a chance.

oh and if you get upset by any of the shite on this site or thread in particular then don't even think about going near the street the Careers office is in.
 
#13
You will see a number of self-harm scars on the wrists of (usually female) regular soldiers.
 
R

renamed_user

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#14
I don't know anymore, in todays modern "inclusive" army I'm sure your issues could get you immediate promotion bypassing any stressful training and an office where you can advise the Colonel on such issues, as the way the world going if you haven't got an issue you are the problem!
Anyway back to the telly, the repeats of today's Jeremy Kyle are on again soon.
 
#15
You don't want to join the TA love, it's shit and it's full of loonies anyway.

Have you thought of joining an organization that helps people with serious problems? With your experiences you could offer insight and it may prove cathartic to you too.
 
#16
I don't see what the problem is - after a few years in the TA, you'll be depressed anyway!

...and there's going to be plenty of self-harming going on during the implementation of FR20.
 

BuggerAll

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#17
The TA has the same standards for recruiting as the Regular Army so if you are barred to one you will be barred to the other. That said there is no harm in asking at the recruiting office and then you will know. It is probably best if you have prepared yourself to be knocked back.

You mentioned that you are interested in being a medic. Can I suggest that if the Army is not open to you you might want to look at joining something like the St John's or St Andrew's Ambulance or the British Red Cross. Many people find service of this kind very fulfilling in its self and in the event that you are deferred by the Army for a few years rather than turned down outright it might help to show that you are not going to be a problem.

Good luck - I'm afraid life isn't easy.
 
#19
woodys depressed and they let him go on telic even let him come back when strangely wasn't even more depressed.
although they don't let him access to sharp things.
machine guns yes blades "just say I wonder how sharp this bench grade folder is AAAAAAAAARGH SHIT ANYONE GOT A PLASTER?
 

The_Duke

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Moderator
#20
woodys depressed and they let him go on telic even let him come back when strangely wasn't even more depressed.
although they don't let him access to sharp things.
machine guns yes blades "just say I wonder how sharp this bench grade folder is AAAAAAAAARGH SHIT ANYONE GOT A PLASTER?
Do you see now, whoneedsmeds?

brighton hippy is living proof of the damage you can cause yourself. To move from full retard/dribbling mong to being able to string random words together in the hope that they form groupings which may or may not resemble a sentence has taken his medical team huge amounts of strong drugs and years of electrotherapy.

You have been warned!
 

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