Joining at 17 - parental permission requirements

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  1. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    Young lad 17 in November wants to join the RAF.
    GCSE results pending (arriving in late Aug)
    Father fully supportive, ex-army.
    Mother completely against anything military and particularly anything to do with his father.
    Mother has custody and lad lives with her, (assume this is irrelevant after 16?), father pays maintenance since 1992 divorce.
    How does this play out at the AFCO?

  2. Kill the mother! :)
  3. Sixty

    Sixty LE Moderator Book Reviewer
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    So where's the problem exactly?

    Ahem. Obvious jokes aside, I believe (stress believe as I have no source for this) that it needs both parent's consent.

    One of the recruiting bods will no doubt put me right though.
  4. In a similar situation - I only had my father sign my application forms. Obviously I'm still in the application process though...
  5. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    If you do not mind me asking, do you just live with your father at his address officially?
  6. I live with my mother.

    She supports my application, just that morning she forgot to sign the forms before I left. So I bumped into my dad and got him to sign them instead.
  7. I remember that I needed to have both my parents sign the forms. However, it's probably best to ask at the AFCO, as I don't know if it's the same for the RAF.
  8. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    In this case the mother would play a veto card if she has one.
  9. The Mother has the veto card, it is not a case of if she has one, she is the legal guardian and has custody.

    As it stands (and i have dealt with these scenarios before), if the applicant moved out of the home and had a different address then the Father can legally sign, but if he is living under the same roof then the Mother is the only one allowed to sign.

    Believe it or not, due to his age, even if he did get in, a parent retains the right to have their child discharged whether the child likes it or not as until you are 18 you are not under an offical contract, i have seen occassions where a Mother wanted her son out of AFC and the Army tried to stall her, she involved her MP and invoked her right as a parent and the poor lad discharged, only to then get re-inlisted a year later when he stuck the fingers up to his Mother! ;)

    Best to get Mum onside first to be honest and save the aggrevation, i certainly get the parents to ask themselves how is it right to stop their children doing what they want to do for employment. Yes parents have a right to an opinion but stopping someone from joining based on their perceptions is in reality nothing short of a breach of that persons human rights surely? :D
  10. Speak to your mum mate. Explain your ambitions and talk her round. Really theres only 2 choices. She supports you as a mother should, happy ever after etc. Or you have to wait till 18, join anyway and resent ya old dear for a long time. And no1 wants that. So sit down with her, talk about your job choice ya want to do, maybe have a chat together with a recruiter at an ACIO even. Because ya mum is a big part of ya life and its best to stay happy families. Im pretty sure the local recruiters will see the same situation every few weeks/months. Perhaps they can help you both
  11. i havent got a clue about this one becuase you see both of your parents .

    im 17 and ive just sent my parents consent form off . i only live with my mum so i dont need my dad to sign .

    say you dont see your mum :wink:
  12. Alsacien

    Alsacien LE Moderator

    Thanks for the heads up guys.
    He has the option to put two fingers up and move to his grandparents - which is a useful threat.
    The problem is she is not rational, and still carries baggage from 12 years ago. She is also a domineering, socialist, vegatarian bitch.
  13. If he has an address to go to, then if it was me dealing with the application i would then say that he is free to get the Father to sign the MOD Form 486 which is the consent to enlistment statement (and i assume it is the same form that the RAF use).

    Personnally i would have written a letter to the Mother and explained that her son had expressed a definite interest in joining and belayed any of her fears in a sympathetic (to her) manner to see if i could have calmed things down a little, at the end of the day as has already been mentioned, by forcing the lad to wait all she is likely to do is piss the poor lad off, if he applied and didnt get in he could be left feeling that she was the cause of it all.

    This is where a decent recruiter can earn their money to be honest and it should all be part of the same package, i personnally want to speak to the parents anyway to make sure they fully understand the selection and training process and to allow them to put a face to their name if little Johnny is having a nightmare in training and they need a point of contact :)

    Fivetodo, studying to become a social worker, well as much as the Army likes us to be anyway :D
  14. Vegetarian? well there is where the problem lies eh? Damn Vegies