Joining as a nurse

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  1. Sorry for asking all these questions but i have seen the other posts and they don’t seem to answer any of the questions i have
    cheers for your help

    am just starting my 3rd year in my nursing degree and i will end when am 22 nearly 23. You all seem to say that one should wait two years and join as an officer but i feel that being so young and having just two years of work under my belt i would be naf and prob never get selected anyway. also i love the practical side so doing paper work all day is not what am looking for ( i know we all have loads of it to do anyway but i don’t mind that stuff in little bites) i aim to be a charge nurse when am around 30-35 coz then i have lived a bit, am in the TA at the moment and i love every moment as a QA but i feel that if i just stay in the ta and work in the nhs my life will drag a bit. So my questions are:

    do you think am right in joining straight after i end my degree (its what a really want to do but i want to make sure it’s the right way to go)
    is the army better than the NHS ( i understand that all places have fools and issues at work so you just have to get over it)
    will i actual get to travel even if its just the uk at the start ( will i get to go abroad, if so will it be a lot or once in a blue moon)
    do you actually like your jobs (many in the NHS hate it , great moral booster for me lol)
    will i get to be a officer in 10 years ( i know it counts on your quality as a person, skill and sucking up )
    if i like the practical side is it better for me to be a nco .. like a sg or wo (what is there role plz)
    how much of your pay actually goes into the bank (not that pay if a major thing but it helps )
    when working in the uk is it true you end up in NHS units . Where do you live and are they respectful even thou your QA not civvy
    ok last question not to be sexist or anything but as a straight male will i get respect as a nurse.. i find i get mothered a lot by staff on the NHS which can be helpful but makes me feel like a kid .. i would rather be bossed around but respected than treated like a pet. How many lads are there in the QA

    i tell a lie one more
    will i also get they chance to improve my skills as much as the propaganda says (how much of the propaganda is bull)

    thanks for your help.. Sorry there are so many questions but i think this is the only place i will gain a view that isn’t bias (he hopes)
    thanks for your help..
  2. Are your seriously doing a degree course at the moment? You can't even spell or type properly!!

    I think you would be better in the NHS as the Army would not accept somebody so illeterate as you, and certainly not as an officer!!
  3. sorry just had a look and your right .. it was shockin .. i get very sloppy online coz it does not matter to me, also am crap at typin and even worse when i rush .. i should be coming out with a 1st if my exams and course work carry on the way they do

    yep i am def Illiterate :D but am still a great nurse (or so my mentors and patents say) and i love the job. i also have 2 Alevels at B and one at A also my GCSEs are all As and Bs so i might be illiterate but hay thats life
  4. I am currently doing a healthcare related degree course, and find that most of the tutors can neither spell nor punctuate properly, let alone the younger students.

    'illeterate' :D
  5. Well I'm a medic - I'm fairly sure my lecturers can spell but I'll be buggered if anyone can read their handwriting! :D
  6. Listen to what the majority of us say, leave it 2 years, try and get a specialist course under your belt (ortho, a&e) and then apply as an Officer. To join and then try as a JNCO requires you getting excellent CRs and then recommended. All you need is some arrsehole who doesn't like you to bugger it up for a few years because of one bad CR.

    Anyway, it isn't all its cracked up to be :wink:
  7. if its so bad nursing as a JNCO why do people do the course in the army
    why dont they do their nursing course in uni and then later become an officer
  8. The honest reason why most of us did our Nurse training in the Army is simply the money.

    A choice of survive on a bursary or get paid a wage to train!
  9. I'm not AMS, I'm a sapper but anyone who has the opportunity to join as an officer (like u) really should try. You're quality of life, and future opportuniies are so much better. If you arent selected you can still join as an OR, and my understanding is that they'd snap you up.

  10. I will answer your questions.

    Firstly, i am posted with a girl who has just finished her degree and joined straight up. It's what she wanted, so she did it. She loves it, but is very nieve to anything military

    Next, Army nurses work in the NHS in 'peace time', so there's not much difference in the work we do day to day.

    Next, it's not a case of you might go away on tour, it's a case of you WILL be going on tour within your first year in the Army. There are lots of opertunities to go away, not just on op tour, you just have to know where to ask.

    Officer wise, all you can do is keep asking. Sometimes it depends on if your face fits that day.

    Practically, it's best to be a NCO/SNCO as that's when you do the practical stuff. Officers do work the wards but have all the 'managment' type stuff to deal with

    Pay - a newly qualified nurse is on approx £1500 a month, and that is theirs to spend. What goes in the bank is yours as food/accomodation/tax will have come out already

    There are 4 main QA posts, known as MDHU's and they are based in NHS environment. Northallerton living in Catterick garrison - accomodation for singlys is decent enough, Frimley Park living in Aldershot, - accomodation is pants, Birmingham(RCDM) - living in a civi rented house, and Portsmouth living in Portsmouth or Gosport. There's also NI and Cyprus, but not usually as a first posting.

    Lastly...the ward manager on my ward is a man, as is the other 2 officers. There are other males on the ward in a nursing and HCA role and they're all treated ok. They are the blokes who are quite butch and get to do a lot of warry stuff. The ratio for male female in the QA's is about 1/2 males for every 10 females

    Skill stuff depends on your unit.

    Hope all this helps. Any more questions feel free to PM me.
  11. Just joining in on the chat. Nurseynorth, do you feel that having an all male hierarchy on your ward means that the boys are looked after more so than the girls? Do you feel that your treatment by management is prejudiced against you (I am assuming you are female).

    As to the question of joining as an soldier or officer, the choice is yours. As has been pointed out by others in this thread, as a soldier you have less responsibility than an officer in clinical and extramural spheres. Officers are involved in the management of the ward, the career management of their soldiers as well as providing nursing care. In addition to this, officers are expected to be involved in the life of the Mess and may have a secondary duty as Mess Treasurer/Secretary/Entertainments Member etc. - these duties tend to take up a lot of time and effort. Also you will be expected to take a lead in sporting activities etc. It can be hard work (but enjoyable). If these things are not up your street, you may consider joining as a soldier, where to an extent, you can turn up and take the dosh. HOwever, if that is all you do, expect to not get promoted for a long time. The advice to wait 2 years and gain a specialist qualification is sound advice that I received as a 22 year old newly qualified NHS staff nurse. I couldn't wait to join, worked my way to Sergeant and then commissioned. Whether I made the right choice, I don't know - but I do know that I have had some great times (and some not so great) and made some great friends and had a more varied career than my local NHS trust was ever going to offer. Ultimately, the decision is only one that you can make.
  12. So do i captainchaos, in all these aspects, and i'm a SNCO.

    My advice is join when you feel like you want to join. Don't be pressured by anyone. Have a shop around, look at all three services, not just the Army. If you like the green stuff and like to go on tours (like me) then the Army is for you.

  13. Having male higharchy on the ward is actually better as there is far less bitchyness. I have worked in all female environments that can be a pure nightmare! The males and females are not treated any different as far as i can see. The males are usually the ones that volenteer to do 'stuff' should anything green come up usually, but that's because they are that types of bloke.

    The management treats me no different for being a female. The QA's apear to be different from the rest of the Army in that alot of the time you get treated like an adult on the ward because of the job you have to do.
  14. captainchaos i agree that males do get better jobs, they seem to be treated better when found in a group. i see male bias all the time when am working in the NHS.
    could it be coz we stand out a bit more (only 11% of us :-( )

    thanks for your help nursienorth that is a great help

    i will fig out what am looking for(hope lol ). i just feel that as an officer with only a TA and two year nursing background i would be more of a hazard than help, so that is why i think being a NCO to start with would give me the army info and skills that i would need to be an officer. i would def be into all the sports and activities.

    its a bugger to fig out coz either way i gain and lose something ... when one door closes another one locks (sorry i mean opens hmm)
  15. You're welcome!

    Look into joining the other Armed Forces too although the postings are more limited. I love the Army and would recommend being a QA to anyone....but i am a bit deranged! LOL