Joining a foreign military

#1
I'm a medic in the NZ army with my training virtually completed. Me and a few mates in the same situation have been looking at the possibility of joining up with a foreign military.

Our interests mainly lie in the medical field but also with other combat responsibilities. Ideally we'd like specialist medical jobs combined with search & rescue and possible para/dive training.

So far we've looked at:

US Airforce Pararescue Jumpers - While it looks like a great job with awesome training I'm pretty sure they dont take people who've served in a foreign military. Also less than appealing due to the 'Hoorah' attitude and having to deal with the way the US military seems to operate.

Canadian Search & Rescue Technicians - Another great looking job but no information found on whether we'd be eligible to join though they are part of the commonwealth. Will get in touch with the recruiters.

Australian Defence Force - Seems like it wouldn't be too hard to get into but I'm not sure if they offer anything too different from what we're currently doing. Also have heard they're a pain in the arse to work with and are pretty humourless (Any truth to this?).

British Army - This looks like one of the best choices. Is there any truth to the rumours of medics having to buy their own medical supplies (dressings, bandages, etc.) due to shortages? Also the British sense of humour and tradition of taking the pish appeals as this is the sort of attitude we're used to working with.

Input from anyone who's served in any (or a few) of these would be great.

While the NZ Army has been a good experience there doesn't seem to be the training or jobs that we're after readily available so we're taking a look around to see what's available.
 
#2
If you want to put your skills to good use, and be subjected to squaddie humour join the British Army you Kiwi sheepsha&&er :lol: :lol:
 
#3
From a septic who has not worn uniform for quite a while.
As far as US accepting foreign recruits, it does not matter at all you are a citizen but you have to have visa to be a US resident. "Green Cards" can be hard to get but there is a class of visa for people with special qualifications and a job offer. Employer has to apply for you. I don't know if the services can do that. Try calling/emailing a US recruiter for one of the services.

I am not Coast Guard but I have tremendous respect for USCG rescue swimmers (Aviation Survival Technicians) They are medics who jump from helo's into ocean (cold, BIG waves, usually during a bad storm etc) and rescue victims from water, sinking vessel etc. When the weather is so bad every sane person is snug in their home with a cup of tea these guys are taking off to fly into the storm. I don;t think I could have done this, even when young. If you would enjoy being cold and wet in a scary situation they might be a great choice

Age requirements vary but most are 17-27 for enlisted. Going from one US service to another they can credit prior service and somtimes rank but I doubt if they could do this for a foreign service.

US Navy medical corpmen always get excellent training as ships can be isolated and smaller ships have no doctors or nurses so the corpman is it.

Hope this helps you. I think that if I had to do it over I would do Coast Guard. Nice bunch.
 
#5
imedic said:
Is there any truth to the rumours of medics having to buy their own medical supplies (dressings, bandages, etc.) due to shortages?
I'm not a medic but there is no way in hell this can be true. For the time being at least. 8O
 
#6
Canadian Search & Rescue Technicians - Another great looking job but no information found on whether we'd be eligible to join though they are part of the commonwealth. Will get in touch with the recruiters.
To become a SAR Tech in the Canadian forces you must have four years of military service and hold Canadian citizenship. The only exception is for those with Permanent Resident Status who have the specialised skills/experience and the CF cannot find a Canadian citizen to fill the job and the candidate doesn't pose a security risk.

Good luck whatever you decide to pursue.
 
#7
imedic said:
I'm a medic in the NZ army with my training virtually completed. Me and a few mates in the same situation have been looking at the possibility of joining up with a foreign military.

Our interests mainly lie in the medical field but also with other combat responsibilities. Ideally we'd like specialist medical jobs combined with search & rescue and possible para/dive training.

So far we've looked at:

US Airforce Pararescue Jumpers - While it looks like a great job with awesome training I'm pretty sure they dont take people who've served in a foreign military. Also less than appealing due to the 'Hoorah' attitude and having to deal with the way the US military seems to operate.
Air Force doesn't exactly have an 'Hoorah' attitude in my opinion having lived near an AF base while in the Army. They tend to take care of their personnel very well when it comes to living standards, mess halls and even how they treat each other. Humane is the word I'd use, although many of have doubts whether it really is a military organization. I'd give them a second look, the PJs get all the benefits of being Air Force with very good training (also try Combat Controllers). Most U.S. services have a relaxed attitude towards non-citizens joining.
 
#8
BritCanGirl said:
To become a SAR Tech in the Canadian forces you must have four years of military service and hold Canadian citizenship. The only exception is for those with Permanent Resident Status who have the specialised skills/experience and the CF cannot find a Canadian citizen to fill the job and the candidate doesn't pose a security risk.
Thanks for that! Do you know if they'd let me in after serving in the NZ Army?
 

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#10
imedic said:
army_of_1 said:
I'm not a medic but there is no way in hell this can be true. For the time being at least.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/20/wafghan120.xml

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/july2007/helmand_dressings.html

All fibs?
That simply can't be the full story. Only one First Field Dressing for a medic on operations? That's the first time I've ever heard of a medic having his/her first aid pouch taken off them and I can't find any other stories on the web about this either. The bloke who wrote the letter to his aunt describes himself as a "Team Medic" i.e. an integral member of the unit who has done a Combat Med Tech course, as opposed to an attached RAMC Medic (which is what you would be).

If his kit has been sent to the front line guys, where does that put him? Back in the rear where there's an aid station on camp staffed with Medical Personnel already? Asherman Chest Seals are easy enough to indent for, and I've never heard of any kind of shortage, but I stand ready to be corrected.
 
#11
imedic said:
BritCanGirl said:
To become a SAR Tech in the Canadian forces you must have four years of military service and hold Canadian citizenship. The only exception is for those with Permanent Resident Status who have the specialised skills/experience and the CF cannot find a Canadian citizen to fill the job and the candidate doesn't pose a security risk.
Thanks for that! Do you know if they'd let me in after serving in the NZ Army?
You'd have to get a permanent resident status first, like she said, and for that you'd have to apply for immigration and go through the immigration screening. However, the key word here is skills/experience, and that means Canadian skills and experience, because your foreign credentials and experience will help you get through immigration, in fact you will probably be chosen because of your skills, but once you're in, you will find that your foreign skills and experience are worthless, as they are not recognized, and especially so in areas requiring high education levels, such as medicine.
 
#12
Yep, Mr Fawlty is spot on. Even if you got over the citizenship/residency hurdle, without the relevant experience it will be very difficult.
 
#13
The Canadian Military pays the best!
Tax free when serving overseas, lots of extra pay when deployed overseas aswell! Plus 25 annual days off a year, plus all the buckshee ones here and there.
 
#14
Agreed.....except when you do finally get through the enormous hurdles (and that really is enormous with an Extremely large E) and get in, you get a paltry 20 days leave, not 25, for a whole 5 years as no matter what rank and incentive you come in at, you count the same as a new recruit. Barking mad and really rather pathetic. Although many things are great, the CF have some things badly wrong and this is one of them.
 
#15
imedic said:
I'm a medic in the NZ army with my training virtually completed. Me and a few mates in the same situation have been looking at the possibility of joining up with a foreign military.

Our interests mainly lie in the medical field but also with other combat responsibilities. Ideally we'd like specialist medical jobs combined with search & rescue and possible para/dive training.

So far we've looked at:

US Airforce Pararescue Jumpers - While it looks like a great job with awesome training I'm pretty sure they dont take people who've served in a foreign military. Also less than appealing due to the 'Hoorah' attitude and having to deal with the way the US military seems to operate.

Canadian Search & Rescue Technicians - Another great looking job but no information found on whether we'd be eligible to join though they are part of the commonwealth. Will get in touch with the recruiters.

Australian Defence Force - Seems like it wouldn't be too hard to get into but I'm not sure if they offer anything too different from what we're currently doing. Also have heard they're a pain in the arse to work with and are pretty humourless (Any truth to this?).

British Army - This looks like one of the best choices. Is there any truth to the rumours of medics having to buy their own medical supplies (dressings, bandages, etc.) due to shortages? Also the British sense of humour and tradition of taking the pish appeals as this is the sort of attitude we're used to working with.

Input from anyone who's served in any (or a few) of these would be great.

While the NZ Army has been a good experience there doesn't seem to be the training or jobs that we're after readily available so we're taking a look around to see what's available.
Canadian Forces were screaming for SARTechs a couple years back. The y will take Commonwealth. Canadian Forces are an excellent Fighting force. Our training is unrivalled in the SAR business.Though they equipment, as per, is sh.ite. Look for this to be sorted soon.Keep us in mind, eh?
 
#16
Also, BritCan is full of turds. We let in Permanent residents from f@cking Somalia. With retention the way it is now, you will be sped through in NO time flat. Hell, even in 1996, we had a Pole who'd served in warsaw pact forces as a crewman. She appears to be bilingual, this BritCan. She speaks both utter sh.ite and utter bo.llocks
 
#17
The story of the medic buying his own dressing , should read his own gucci kit. I agree that some times our kit was poor but we always had loads of it. I served 22 in the Medical Corps and it has come on in leaps and bounds since I left, the guys are getting loads of hands on work on OPs unlike me a cold war soldier. I have a mate who has just done his 22 and joined the NZ Medical Corps with no problems and kept his rank so I would imagine you would have no probs.

We had a Kiwi on Ex Long look back in the 80s he had a great time with us and yes the humour is similar.
 
#18
Cheers for this guys, it's all bloody good stuff to know.

I know my friends would be really interested to hear that Canada would possibly be keen to take us on. It's a choice between them or the UK but the SARTech job sounds like exactly what we're looking for.

Guess I'll start doing some more emails and see what the CF Recruiters can tell me.
 
#19
Flagrantviolator said:
Also, BritCan is full of turds. We let in Permanent residents from f@cking Somalia. With retention the way it is now, you will be sped through in NO time flat. Hell, even in 1996, we had a Pole who'd served in warsaw pact forces as a crewman. She appears to be bilingual, this BritCan. She speaks both utter sh.ite and utter bo.llocks
Maybe you should re-read my post and also that of Mr Fawlty's before dishing out the insults.

Also, here are a few official links that back up what we said.

http://www.nss.gc.ca/site/whoWeAre/careers_e.asp
http://www.forces.ca/v3/engraph/resources/howtojoin_en.aspx?bhcp=1

To be eligible for consideration for the Canadian Forces, you must meet the following minimal conditions:
- be a Canadian citizen;
- Citizens of another country who have landed immigrant (Permanent Resident) status in Canada may also be considered for enrolment when the CF has need of their skill, when the position cannot be filled by a Canadian citizen, and if the national interest would not be prejudiced. However, only under exceptional circumstances will authority be granted to enrol a citizen of another country.
 
#20
Much as it pains me to recommend the RAF to anyone what about winch man. Perhaps one of our Crab friends could fill you in with information. As a fact the RAF don't have a sense of humour, good kitchen and fit birds (well as compared to ours)
 

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