Joing 23 SAS(R) - Further questions

#1
Hi all,
I am a new user to this site and have a few questions regarding joining the 23 SAS.
Firstly i have read all the other posts and threads i could find on this site (so dont think im being lazy). From what i gather other people have mainly been focused on the fitness side of it, but i have a few concerns a little more specific to my background. i include a little of my background because i think it is important...

Me: i am a Civilian, i did a degree in manchester in chemistry and am currently doing a PhD, i am 22, i grew up in the pennines . i have a girlfriend of 4 years
Y do i want to join: i have always had the utmost respect for anyone (no matter what they did), in serving/fighting for their country and i believe no man is on the same level until they have done the same... i want to do my bit as much as i want the challenge
My experience of TA/UKSF(R): I have always been interested, i have read immediate action by A Mcnab, and recently as reccommended by this site A quiet soldier by A billinger ( i especially liked this book because our backgrounds are similar), i enjoyed them both (only as a good read not a fact finding excercise), i know where my nearest 23 SAS base, i have not spoke to the yet.
i willl not be joining (if i decide to do so) for at least 2 years, mostly because my Phd takes roughly 55 hours a week of my time, but also because i need training.
Questions: does anyone know of a person that has joined from a similar background to mine? Realistically can a person do this with a non militiary background? is 2 years long enough to train? any other advice guys?

Thanks for your time,

Otter
 
#2
Sort the spelling out mate, you're meant to be a PhD student, not a mong.

As for the training, I recommend you buy 'Fighting Fit' by Adrian Weale - excellent book for those training for P Coy, RM CTC or UKSF.

Stop worrying about your background and start worrying about preparing for selection if you are serious about it.
 
#3
Otter,

Give them a call on 0161 862 9237.

msr
 
#4
Otter, contact the Squadron (G sqn) directly on the number msr has given. Some more information can be found on the UKSFR website:

http://www.army.mod.uk/uksf/index.htm

Civilians can and do join, don't be worried about that. Consider how much time you'll be able to commit to the course. It may be that you can be more flexible with your time doing a PhD than holding down a job afterwards. As far as training goes, you need to boost your CV fitness by running/circuits and get 'hill fit' by getting out on the hills. Just go with a daysack and practice your navigation and speed, you'll have plenty of time to carry a bergen on the course but buy an old issue one to train with occasionally if your not used to carrying weight.
 
#5
Thanks for the quick reply..lol sorry about the spelling..long time since i did english

I will give them a call, just wanted to find out as much as i can before i did..does anyone know were they train and does it depend which base your posted to? i heard/read someone say its best to get out where they train and get to know the terrain
 
#6
Andy Macnabs ex mate ''Chris Ryan"" is ex 23 try his books . I would suggest you get
involved in the military inbetween your studying .Dont just get fit as there is a difference
civvy fit and army fit . Get in the TA now , if you really want to have a go for 23 you will
have to get your skates on .Once you start the selection process with them it takes a long
time to get badged . Good luck .
 
#7
ScaleyFins said:
...As for the training, I recommend you buy 'Fighting Fit' by Adrian Weale - excellent book for those training for P Coy, RM CTC or UKSF...
Awful book, simply ghastly. I returned mine from the shop whence I purchased it. Obviously, I had to go in disguise, and so I went dressed as a roving pastry salesman, complete with trusty bicycle. Imagine my surprise when Lofty W, Binky, Legs and Big Dave all turned up in the shop at the same time, attired as the Banana Splits. H from the Ops Room was outside with Drooper's car etc etc etc...

It's a very good book actually.
 
#8
I feel another wiki page coming on...

msr
 
#9
TheOtter said:
Thanks for the quick reply..lol sorry about the spelling..long time since i did english

I will give them a call, just wanted to find out as much as i can before i did..does anyone know were they train and does it depend which base your posted to? i heard/read someone say its best to get out where they train and get to know the terrain
If you really don't intend to go for selection for two years then take the advice of others here and join another TA unit in the mean time. It can't hurt to get some military experience before you go for it.

Once you contact 'your' squadron, you will be taken into holding troop and will be advised on how/where to train by the DS. As there are two courses running each year, you will find recruits currently on either the aptitude (hills) phase or the continuation (skills) phase. Once you rock up you will be able to ask the other recruits what they have done to train and where. Where you train doesn't matter until you get near the test marches. Hills are hills, get off the internet and get up a few! Good luck.
 
#10
Thanks Sabre for your advice,

I have planned my first excursion to "the Hills" this next saturday (25/03/06) and i train in the gym every weekday night anyway with short hill intervals and weights, i know its not the best preperation but its better than nothing. I will think about joining another TA unit in the mean time. There are quite a few in manchester i believe...i will look into one that is the most suitable.

I suppose that will give me a taste of what being a soldier is about...

(might have to invest in some GPS..got know idea how to navigate yet!)
 
#11
TheOtter said:
i willl not be joining (if i decide to do so) for at least 2 years, mostly because my Phd takes roughly 55 hours a week of my time, but also because i need training.
Otter,

I'm also doing a PhD at the moment, taking at the very least the same amount of time as yours every week. I would agree with everyone else that has advised you to join a TA unit sooner rather than later, I've found it quite a nice break from the lab so the fact that I do such long hours in civvy life doesn't affect my willingness to train.
 
#12
Yeah, i have decided to take that advice and am in the process of applying to another TA unit,

Does anyone know how easy it is to transfer units (for example to 23's) once i join another one? is there a time limit you have to be with the old unit before you can do selection of another one?

Thanks for the reply green manalishi
 
#13
Unit transfers occur for all sorts of reasons - they are part of the PSAO's stock in trade and 21 / 23 staffers know the drill. In fact, it's easier to transfer from within the TA than to leave and then get taken back on strength again. Should you join another TA/RNR/RMR/RAuxAF unit, complete a certain level of training then find yourself with too many commitments, you are best off requesting a leave of absence for a defined period.

Note well, you should expect to be able to commit a significant portion of your life to UK SF Reserves AFTER you pass Aptitude and Continuation. You're there to be used, especially in this day and age.
 
#14
You'll have to pass CIC (TA) as a civvie to be considered for 23 SAS selection, so you may as well join a TA Infantry Regt. in the meantime to get a bit of experience.

We got a 23 brief at the end of the CIC course - it takes a huge amount of commitment; you have to attend every drill night and every other weekend for a year during selection. Weekends take place in Brecon, so you need to be fit!

If you fancy it and have the time to devote to it, good luck.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#15
Otter,

As per most others, join a local TA unit that you would want to soldier in. Get CIC done, improve your fitness, gain knowledge. They will have no problem with you applyning to attempt 23 selection.

My advice is chose your unit wisely - I am in no way casting aspersions on your fitness or ability, but many more fail UKSF selection than pass it, and there should be no shame associated with you attempting it. However, if you like the unit you join and do well, they will welcome you back and you can soldier on.

Hope all goes well,

Duke.

PS Depending where you are, 4 Para are a great unit, would support your attempt at 23, and you are unlikely to get better fitness training anywhere else within the TA. Plug ends.
 
#16
Darth_Doctrinus said:
ScaleyFins said:
...As for the training, I recommend you buy 'Fighting Fit' by Adrian Weale - excellent book for those training for P Coy, RM CTC or UKSF...
Awful book, simply ghastly. I returned mine from the shop whence I purchased it. Obviously, I had to go in disguise, and so I went dressed as a roving pastry salesman, complete with trusty bicycle. Imagine my surprise when Lofty W, Binky, Legs and Big Dave all turned up in the shop at the same time, attired as the Banana Splits. H from the Ops Room was outside with Drooper's car etc etc etc...

It's a very good book actually.
in fact it is so good i am upset it wasn't around when i was a young lad, doing all my warry stuff, he has written a few good books, but must get someone else to proof read them as there are no spelling mistakes :wink:
 
#17
TheOtter said:
Thanks Sabre for your advice,

I have planned my first excursion to "the Hills" this next saturday (25/03/06) and i train in the gym every weekday night anyway with short hill intervals and weights, i know its not the best preperation but its better than nothing. I will think about joining another TA unit in the mean time. There are quite a few in manchester i believe...i will look into one that is the most suitable.

I suppose that will give me a taste of what being a soldier is about...

(might have to invest in some GPS..got know idea how to navigate yet!)
Forget the GPS at this stage. Suggested reading for navigation would include Peter Cliff's 'Mountain Navigation' and Eric Langmuir's 'Mountaincraft and Leadership', the former for specifics on that subject, the latter for related topics on it.
 
B

Biscuits_AB

Guest
#18
msr said:
I feel another wiki page coming on...

msr
I feel a shit coming on. Somehow this thread isn't doing it for me.

Hoi Otter.............go for a commission mate.
 
#19
Otter,

I really cannot judge from your post, whether you are just an illiterate and romantic wannabee Walt, or, maybe, are geniune 21/23 material.

Negative Pointers:
1. Me.
2. Y do I...
3. My experience...

Firstly, what is your motive in wanting to join 23 particularly, from a level that indicates that you know little about our Army, or how it is organised?

Secondly, you should be aware, that SF ultimately depends upon getting things right at the first attempt. So, why do you consider that your excuses for poor spelling and grammar, will exonerate you?

Thirdly, regarding your g/f of '4-years'; you'll, sadly, have little time for her, but, has she pleaded with you, to prove that you're a 'Real Man' before she'll marry you?

There's a particular mindset and commitment needed for SF, in addition to thorough physical and professional skills.

The latter, are needed throughout the Army, with no loss of face at all, for not being, 'SF'.

Almost anyone, with a bit of single-minded dedication, can raise themselves up to SF levels of fitness.

However they also look very closely, at what sort of sand, keeps your ears from imploding.

Boringly so, most SF duties, involve a concentrated amount of team work. Could you bring skills to a small team, without your peers suspecting that you'd most likey will cock it up?

A 13year-old's mindset, in a 22year-old wannabee Walt, will not have a happy time, however fit he is.

Anyway, for whatever motives you presently have, good on you, for wanting to join in.

--
batty.
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
#20
Otter,

Read your post out loud with a pause every time you inserted a comma. You would sound like T Bliar on a bad speech day. My point is to be wary of calling others illiterate in a post full of poorly composed sentences.

Duke
 

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