Joined Up Defence Spending

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by unclemonty, Jul 7, 2008.

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  1. At the risk of being run out of town on my first post I have to take issue with the way that the MoD and Defence Chiefs spend their money. I accept wholly that the current situation of the government trying to run two wars on a finite defence budget is morally wrong, especially when servicemen and women are dying becuase of lack of appropriate kit, (I am especially ticked about the UOR's coming from the total budget). However surely the service chiefs and the MoD are bright enough to get a grip of what actually we need, where we are buying it from and how much we are spending. For example;

    Why are the Navy getting two 65,000 ton carrier to fly short-ranged VTOL F-35's when the French have got a decently sized 40,000 ton carrier able to fly proven combat jets like the Rafaele or Super Hornet ? Why can't the two carriers be reduced by 1/3 and the money used to build another very useful LPH (another Ocean if we are going cheap or better something along the lines of the Tarawa Class.)

    Why are we spending £££ billions on a totally unproven piece of technology (F-35), when the Super Hornet is sitting there, combat proven and about half the price ?

    Why haven't the government cancelled Tranche 3 Typhoon and instead bought a decent CAS system which will cost far far less. Surely the geniuses at BAe can update and uprate the Hawk or the Harrier to provide cheap effective CAS.

    Why is everyone so upset about FRES ? The RAF don't have the capacity to transport them in any numbers so they would have to go by sea anyway. Why not use the money and just buy loads of improved Warriors.

    On the subject of the RAF, why won't they cancel the A400 and buy more Globemasters ?

    And Finally why are we being flooded with new Blackhawks for the army ? Everyone knows the threat of IED's yet there is still a helicopter shortage.

    I know that the DPA is incompetent and that the government don't really give a stuff, but surely it's time that the Chiefs of Staff got their acts together and made the government get them really useful stuff rather than shiney toys that look nice in the brochure ?
  2. You are Lewis Page and I claim my £5!
  3. See, you failed, right at the subject.
  4. Are we ? Where did you get that from ? :?
  5. They've been in a hanger for the last seven years awaiting a software upgrade :D
  6. I thought he meant the thousands of new blackhawk kneepads that were rushed into Afghanistan for a priority issue and have been sat in an iso container going no-where fast for the last week.
  7. Reduce 2 by one third and you get 1.34.

    I understand the 1. But .34 is a puzzle; bow, stern or the middle bit?
  8. You ask too many difficult questions. Most, if not all, of your implied criticisms are so 'right-on'. Be aware, be very aware, of what happened to the lamented and distinguised Dr. David Kelly.

    The answer to your posed questions is the same throughout:

    Dopey and disinterested politicians;
    Daft civil servants at a high level;
    Too many 'consultants';
    Corrupt business men; and, sadly,
    Cowardly leadership at the top of all three Services - knighthoods to be guarded old boy - get the picture!

    My 'answers' could in a wonderland sound like a call for the resignation of the Prime Minister - for culpable irresponsibility, and, half a resignation from the part-time Secretary of State for Defence.

    I dream on.
  9. I've just started in the West Country shopping/catalogue base and it would appear to me that all of the above in the last poster's bit are true.

    That is why I am off.

    G :D
  10. in_the_cheapseats

    in_the_cheapseats LE Moderator

    Can I suggest you do a bit of research on all the topics you cover in this post? Pretty much all of this has been discussed in huge detail as individual subjects.

    Some of the points you post are accurate; most of the equipment related ones are wide of the mark and a bit naive.

    However, good try as a first post. Welcome to ARRSE :D
  11. There are indeed corrupt business men, and business women for that matter, but corruption requires at least two parties – the corruptor and the corrupted. So who, in your opinion, is corrupting who?
  12. So in short you want us to continue buying older kit, dispose of the Navy and RAF and pray that nobody with an airforce or navy kick off against us in the next 50 years?
  13. Try Wokka Wokka Chinooks...... SF cock up (nice one MoD)