Join the Army Medical Services! It better than the NHS!

#1
In light of all the recent new members to ARRSE some of which may be civilians, I would like to point out how much better the AMS is than the NHS.

In the NHS, apart from General Medical Practitioners (for now), the pay is sh*t!

NHS hospitals are run by w*nkers who have no idea or interest in delivering health care!

NHS hospital facilities for staff are down right degrading and the food is sh*t! The only facade of niceness in NHS hospitals are these new patient centred shopping malls with coffee shops, WHSmiths and Boots. These b*stards charge the earth to the sick and lame!

Patients and workers cant park outside their hospitals because the Trusts (run by the w*nkers) have sold the car parks off to Vinci (more w*nkers) who don't give a flying f*ck about anything apart from profit!

Civvy hospitals are all dirty (fact) because the bed occupancy rates (due to overcrowding) prevent effective cleaning!

Many civvies are afraid of the physical exercise involved with military training! Doing a military fitness test is FAR less painful than getting anally rogered by the w*nkers and their centrally imposed targets!

Simple join the Army (or RN or RAF if you must?) and have some fun. You'll work hard, yes! You'll be called a c*nt sometimes but never treated like one! You'll be arrested by monkeys but not forced to work alongside one because the NHS pays peanuts.

The NHS is dull.

The NHS is targets, targets, targets! The Army also has targets but you are obliged to hit these with the bullet from a rifle rather than selling your soul or sweating blood!

JOIN THE ARMY...............Work hard and have a laugh! End of! :numberone:
 
#2
Your looking for a wah aren't you...........



or have you truly gone 'North Korean', you brainwashed casualty of political cyberwar and informal briefings.
 
#4
Well, thanks for that post... I'm now really looking forward to my future/post-Army career as a Health Psychologist (currently studying for now)!!!

Surely it's not that bad, is it?
 
#5
amazing__lobster said:
Well, thanks for that post... I'm now really looking forward to my future/post-Army career as a Health Psychologist (currently studying for now)!!!

Surely it's not that bad, is it?
The NHS? Yes! Health Psychology? No!

Good luck!
 
#7
LtTrousersnake said:
In light of all the recent new members to ARRSE some of which may be civilians, I would like to point out how much better the AMS is than the NHS.

In the NHS, apart from General Medical Practitioners (for now), the pay is sh*t!

NHS hospitals are run by w*nkers who have no idea or interest in delivering health care!

NHS hospital facilities for staff are down right degrading and the food is sh*t! The only facade of niceness in NHS hospitals are these new patient centred shopping malls with coffee shops, WHSmiths and Boots. These b*stards charge the earth to the sick and lame!

Patients and workers cant park outside their hospitals because the Trusts (run by the w*nkers) have sold the car parks off to Vinci (more w*nkers) who don't give a flying f*ck about anything apart from profit!

Civvy hospitals are all dirty (fact) because the bed occupancy rates (due to overcrowding) prevent effective cleaning!

Many civvies are afraid of the physical exercise involved with military training! Doing a military fitness test is FAR less painful than getting anally rogered by the w*nkers and their centrally imposed targets!

Simple join the Army (or RN or RAF if you must?) and have some fun. You'll work hard, yes! You'll be called a c*nt sometimes but never treated like one! You'll be arrested by monkeys but not forced to work alongside one because the NHS pays peanuts.

The NHS is dull.

The NHS is targets, targets, targets! The Army also has targets but you are obliged to hit these with the bullet from a rifle rather than selling your soul or sweating blood!

JOIN THE ARMY...............Work hard and have a laugh! End of! :numberone:
Delete profanities and replace with Queens english and you have a true picture. I know cos I served in both.

Phredd
 
#8
I joined AMS straight from medical school because I was fed up with the NHS!
 
#10
Obviously a PQO.

i reccommend that you spend more time mincing around telling people how much you earn "in the military" and generally talking like you directed the last operation against the taliban. Personally.


when in fact you've only ever been on a 3 day hospex.
 
#11
nice one whitemouse!

Really Trousersnake, talk about comparing apples and pears! The NHS is huge, the AMS tiny. You can't generalise about either, they're just too varied. I've been associated with the NHS for over 25 years and yes it has many faults but it remains an achievement of British society unrivalled by the majority of the world. Believe it or not, not every manager is a target obsessed automaton - many are frustrated and disillusioned and just doing their best in an ever changing and pressurised system. Neither is every clinician a supine automaton. I've experienced tremendous leadership, vision and professional satisfaction as well as terrible hardship and frustration. That's the cost of doing a job in a public service. My very limited experience of the military is that it is beset by exactly the same limitations of a large bureaucracy. Within the army it seems that some individuals are excellent, others appalling with the majority getting on and doing their best. I don't know quite what set off your petulant sounding rant, and I don't know whether you were just trying to set up a straw man for the sake of debate - but overall I have to say you came across as a naive w*nker that needs to work on their argument skills.
 
#12
LtTrousersnake said:
Simple join the Army (or RN or RAF if you must?) and have some fun. You'll work hard, yes! You'll be called a c*nt sometimes but never treated like one!
Mmm..I wish I could agree with that statement, however from my experience being treated like a c*nt is the norm in an AMS unit as the hierarchy are mainly c*nts.

You might have been lucky but the great many I am pretty sure have not had the same experience.

Rose tinted glasses only last as long as a good posting.
 
#13
big generalisation! I've never served but i have worked in both the acute sector and now the community/pct sector. I'd have to agree that in the huge acute training hospitals most of what you say is true. But in the community hospital i work in,morale is high,we have a close knit team from the managers down to the domestics( sorry...hotel services) and the hospital is spotless! We have named domestics in charge of areas and they take a real pride in their sections.NHS bashing is all very well,and i've done my fair share of it,but please don't tar us all with the same brush!
 
#14
Tell me your avatar is not a self-portrait.

That, together with your username...
 
#16
whitemouse75 said:
Obviously a PQO.

i reccommend that you spend more time mincing around telling people how much you earn "in the military" and generally talking like you directed the last operation against the taliban. Personally.


when in fact you've only ever been on a 3 day hospex.
Whitemouse, of course I am a PQO! Like most of the AMS I have done multiple tours but for me (because of the timing of my training pathway and other postings) they were all mature ops and I have never been in any direct danger. Maybe if fate rears it's ugly head, my time will come, so be it! I come from an Army family (none AMS) and respect fully my Teeth Arm, Combat Support and Combat Service Support Colleagues for their professionalism and expect the same in return from them!

In my experience, there are very few PQOs who play the 'war hero' card. The Army will forgive the AMS for being bad (ish) soldiers but not bad medics.

I stand by my point (which I am qualified to make as I have worked in both) that the NHS (in my experience) is an inferior place to work than the AMS.

The expletives a bit over the top I accept.

Big Bird, I take your point re 'tarring with same brush' but you have never served so therefore can't compare!

I also appear not to strike a chord with many of my nursing colleagues! For them the NHS may be a good place to work, I am all ears on this!

Lawnt, what exactly does being 'associated with the NHS' mean?

If your experiences have been delivering healthcare to patients on a daily basis as an NHS employee (or DMS employee attached to and working under the rules of the NHS) then I would like to hear your positive comments to counter my negative ones. If you have not experienced such conditions then surely it is you who is naive? You say you have limited experience of the military (why the feck are you on ARRSE then?), this means that you are not qualified to make a comparison...............I am!

For fear of upsetting anyone else, my point is as follows (expletives deleted):

For a clinician, lifestyle and working conditions are better within the Regular AMS! I respect completely the skill and good intentions of all NHS workers directly involved in patient care. It just angers me to see the way they are treated.

Many of my feelings on the NHS are articulated by Alyson Pollock in her book NHS Ltd, which I recommend. She points out that 'the main qualification for running the NHS now is a knowledge of business methods (including a P45 from business or commerce)......doctors, nurses, public health specialist and other healthcare professionals do not feature except at the front line'.
 
#17
The grass may always be greener on the other side of the fence but at least the NHS don't send you to a foreign country with crap kit to risk your life for the price of a barrel of crude.

The Army medical services ( or whatever they call themselves now ) may not be as bad as the NHS but just give it a few years, I don't think that the downward spiral has ended yet.

Perhaps you should try a scary op tour and see how you manage to cope just with a cap badge and fag packet as a med pack. Perhaps then you may have a different opinion on the NHS.

as a closure, I had to wait nearly a year to get treatment on the NHS, but they did a cracking job when i got there.

Medders
 
#18
LtTrousersnake said:
I stand by my point (which I am qualified to make as I have worked in both) that the NHS (in my experience) is an inferior place to work than the AMS.

For a clinician, lifestyle and working conditions are better within the Regular AMS! I respect completely the skill and good intentions of all NHS workers directly involved in patient care. It just angers me to see the way they are treated.

really? maybe you could nip round the junior ranks and tell them the difference, as most of us are struggling to see any benefits of the ams, in fact we are nhs in all but name.
 
#19
Whitemouse, I take it from your post that you are a QA? If so please read previous comments on military hospitals as these are the only solution. You should not be 'in the NHS in all but name' unless there to develop skills to bring back to the AMS. What do you want to change in your current job to make you happier? Do you just want to get out asap?

Your AMS Nursing Officer colleagues (especially the senior ones) seem very happy! Is this because most of them are pushing pens in RHQs or main building? What do the seniors in your cadre say?
 
#20
LtTrousersnake said:
Lawnt, what exactly does being 'associated with the NHS' mean?
From what I've seen, your right but then again I'm (like several members of my TA Sqn) only associated with the NHS
 

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