Realistically, given the tens of thousands of troops that served in NI over some 30 years, how many have been prosecuted, or are being prosecuted, and what for?
It seems to be only those involved in shooting some member of the opposition?
Thats not quite true & JM alludes to it in his resig letter. Practically every incident was investigated at the time using the available evidence (the why's & wherefore's of any possible 'bent' investigation can be pushed to one side on this as there is no evidence that ever happened). A verdict was passed on each & every incident. As with every other crime, unless there is fresh evidence brought to light that could cast doubt on that verdict then the verdict stands. What is going to happen in NI (now that there is a green light given by these bastards in the Commons) is to allow many many vexatious claims through the civil courts but more dangerously, official investigations to be opened by the PSNI with all the openness that the GFA demanded with regards to Policing.
How & why is that going to happen?
Because the deals that were & have been made with SF to maintain the 'peace' with the mainstream PIRA must involve them being 'allowed' to demand investigations of almost any incident they choose. Mark my words, this is going to happen & i suspect there will be a number of NI veteran deaths in the coming years that will be attributable to PIRA getting revenge.
Boris is probably en route to exciting new, profitable opportunities as soon as all this Covid nonsense is back in its box and Sunak can take over with a clean sheet, with Brexit done and all the pandemic stuff kicked into the long grass.Boris is going to be toast.
As soon as a credible Opposition Party can be formed...
There are some incidents where the verdict was highly dubious, if you were Majella O'Hares parents would you have believed that justice was served correctly?
A whole 6 soldiers have been charged from the tens if not hundreds of thousands who served there. Sinn Fein must be pretty shit if thats all they can demand.
Yeah there were, as i alluded to, but until new evidence comes to light then that verdict stands dubious or not.
Im going to take a wild guess here and suggest that the families might also want one. You would probably want one if your child was shot by the British Army and you thought your child had done nothing wrong.Am totally against any miscarriages but unless there is evidence we can't go launching multi-million pound investigations just because SF/PIRA want one.
Unfortunately the law/courts in Northern Ireland werent exactly impartial. If it was a whim there would be far more than 6 in the dock.That is what is going to happen esp now that NI troops are not going to be included in the legislation. It has to be asked why is that? There have been numerous operations & campaigns we have been involved in over the last 75 years, many of which involved some possibly pretty dubious use of ROE's, tactics etc & yet service men & women from Banner, with all the ongoing political fall out & sensitiveness of the province are not to be offered the protection even IF NO NEW evidence comes to light.
It smacks of things on a whim, the whim of whom being most important here.
While 6 may have been charged, the HIT are looking nearly EVERY incident involving deaths of opposition not just civilians. Again the, clarity now that Banner people can be pursued, clears the way for HIT & others to conduct any sort of investigation into almost anything. In some case that may be justified, but who is controlling that, who is controlling the release or use of information esp pers details of former troops. I know of multiple applications by ex-Banner guys for concealed carry permits, a number of which have been granted. These are guys living in mainland UK, not NI or Eire, so there is a clear & present threat to their security as a result of interest from HIT & other PSNI teams. The question has to be asked, why is that? Is PSNI so open or riddled with republican sympathisers that there is a genuine concern that info will be passed onto to 'former' PIRA members or is it that senior politicians in NI who may have current & historical links to the para-militaries be passing information themselves?
No they dont, thats why some convicted people are released because they never did anything and the courts fucked up.
Im going to take a wild guess here and suggest that the families might also want one. You would probably want one if your child was shot by the British Army and you thought your child had done nothing wrong.
Unfortunately the law/courts in Northern Ireland werent exactly impartial. If it was a whim there would be far more than 6 in the dock.
Afghanistan/Iraq had less soldiers involved in a shorter time period and more than six faced charged for being bellends.
Heres a link to what has happened, as opposed to what the tabloids allude to
Investigation of Former Armed Forces Personnel Who Served in Northern Ireland - House of Commons LibraryThe investigation of former British soldiers who served in Northern Ireland during “The Troubles” is receiving a significant amount of media and parliamentary attention as a result of several ongoing court cases. It is, however, the result of a process which began over a decade ago.commonslibrary.parliament.uk
However, the PPS for Northern Ireland has also sought to make clear that of the 26 prosecution cases brought since 2011 in relation to legacy issues, 21 of those cases have involved republican and loyalist paramilitaries. Several of those cases are ongoing.
Not much media coverage about those 21 cases.
Did you actually serve on Banner?
No I served in Iraq and Afghanistan, where several soldiers were prosecuted for their actions, clearly on banner in those 30 years every soldier was outstanding and never did anything wrong.
Obviously that 12 year girl deserved to be shot in the back twice for walking to church.
He only stuck to his guns because No 10 beat him to his removal from office.The BBC makes no mention of him being sacked by text, which is unusual if it's true. Good for him for sticking to his guns, I think it's a disgrace that NI wasn't covered by the bill.
I have a very funny feeling that he will sooner rather than later.He only stuck to his guns because No 10 beat him to his removal from office.
If he genuinely has integrity and strong enough feeling, he won't let this pass by without speaking out in the media and in the commons, i very much hope he does.
He said the prosecution of veterans, many in their 70s and 80s over events as long as 50 years ago, was a “huge scandal” and an “appalling betrayal” for a Government that had failed to stop it.
On Monday two soldiers (identified only as A and C) will go on trial charged with the murder of Joe McCann, a former official IRA commander who died in Belfast in 1972.
Mr Mercer told The Telegraph that he repeatedly came up against obstacles to his attempts to offer protection to the troops who served in Northern Ireland.
A separate Bill, which does give protection from prosecution to servicemen and women in overseas conflicts, is being shepherded through parliament. However, Northern Ireland veterans are excluded from the Overseas Operations Bill.
Mr Mercer said: “This is not about justice. It is about a group of lawyers and average politicians sucking at a firehose of public money, trashing veterans in the process and dragging out the grief for the families.
“It’s the sort of thing the Boris Johnson I know stands up against. But leadership is all about who you surround yourself with. If you surround yourself with desperately weak people who will endlessly tell you what you want to hear, driven by Spads [special advisers] who have that classic combination of over-confidence blended perfectly with total ineptitude, you will get surprises.”
“For me it’s a huge scandal, up there with contaminated blood and Windrush. Imagine if it was your Dad, your uncle, reliving all this stuff they have already been tried for, vulnerable already in their 70s and 80s. It is an appalling betrayal.”
Really? It was strongly hinted that something needed to be done to protect veterans from vexatious prosecution.Unfortunately for him, Mr Mercer made the mistake of thinking his views over rode tha stance of HM Governments'.
He was incorrect.