John Reid - Stop moaning about yobs

#1
The public is to be told to "stop moaning and take action" against anti-social behaviour by the Home Secretary, John Reid.

His campaign for people to take greater responsibility for street crime risks alienating the victims of yobbishness and other low-level offences.

Mr Reid demonstrated his desire to seize control of Tony Blair's "respect" programme- denounced by the Tories as "recycled gimmicks" - at a presentation to the Prime Minister and Cabinet colleagues last week, details of which have been obtained by The Sunday Telegraph.

He demanded an "aggressive" publicity campaign that would directly challenge the public, using the slogan "Don't moan - take action - it's your street too."

But David Davis, the shadow Home Secretary, said that Mr Reid's attempts to "shift responsibility on to the shoulders of the public" was "brazen beyond belief".

Campaigners against anti-social behaviour said the proposals could have "devastating consequences".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...b11.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/11/ixuknews.html


Suits me fine! Now wheres my baseball bat...
 
#2
Taz_786 said:
The public is to be told to "stop moaning and take action" against anti-social behaviour by the Home Secretary, John Reid.

His campaign for people to take greater responsibility for street crime risks alienating the victims of yobbishness and other low-level offences.

Mr Reid demonstrated his desire to seize control of Tony Blair's "respect" programme- denounced by the Tories as "recycled gimmicks" - at a presentation to the Prime Minister and Cabinet colleagues last week, details of which have been obtained by The Sunday Telegraph.

He demanded an "aggressive" publicity campaign that would directly challenge the public, using the slogan "Don't moan - take action - it's your street too."

But David Davis, the shadow Home Secretary, said that Mr Reid's attempts to "shift responsibility on to the shoulders of the public" was "brazen beyond belief".

Campaigners against anti-social behaviour said the proposals could have "devastating consequences".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...b11.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/11/ixuknews.html


Suits me fine! Now wheres my baseball bat...
You would get sod all backing for taking vigilante action. Probably end up with a criminal record too.

Put parents of ASBO type kids in jail, and spend some money on coppers not speed cameras you halfwits.

P.S. Create more jobs by building and staffing new Jails and lets make them proper jails with no luxuries.
 
#3
Okays, so the boys go out with the base ball bats and then they go to jail ... what happens if you go in hard.
If you go in softly softly, by talking, you will be lucky if they just steal or burn your car and attack your house, you will mostl likely get stabbed!
If Ried has any idea, the solution is simple, more police, tougher sentances, throw them in prison, make prisons harsh, no TVs or soft furnishings, no parole or one 1/3rd sentances... sounds like a police state but where there is a tough and harsh punishment these feral kids wont want to be so brave and cause trouble or damage.
How can he be dumb to say ordinary individuals should risk their own safety by confronting these thugs! You die and they say nice words about you... you turn their knife on them when they attack you and you live and they get hurt, you go to jail!!
 
#4
Priam said:
Taz_786 said:
The public is to be told to "stop moaning and take action" against anti-social behaviour by the Home Secretary, John Reid.

His campaign for people to take greater responsibility for street crime risks alienating the victims of yobbishness and other low-level offences.

Mr Reid demonstrated his desire to seize control of Tony Blair's "respect" programme- denounced by the Tories as "recycled gimmicks" - at a presentation to the Prime Minister and Cabinet colleagues last week, details of which have been obtained by The Sunday Telegraph.

He demanded an "aggressive" publicity campaign that would directly challenge the public, using the slogan "Don't moan - take action - it's your street too."

But David Davis, the shadow Home Secretary, said that Mr Reid's attempts to "shift responsibility on to the shoulders of the public" was "brazen beyond belief".

Campaigners against anti-social behaviour said the proposals could have "devastating consequences".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...b11.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/11/ixuknews.html


Suits me fine! Now wheres my baseball bat...
You would get sod all backing for taking vigilante action. Probably end up with a criminal record too.

Put parents of ASBO type kids in jail, and spend some money on coppers not speed cameras you halfwits.

P.S. Create more jobs by building and staffing new Jails and lets make
them proper jails with no luxuries.
Bloody right

Bring back milk in schols and make illegal for chavs, gangsta types and general ne'er do wells, to breed!
 
#5
Reid is a bloody fool. The public do try, they report things to the police, they even confront these scummers.

What is needed, as has been alluded to, is tough sentances and a tougher than tough prison culture. No TVs, crap food, and a harsh physical existance. They wont want to go back. One time in prison also removes the right to vote for life (not that half of these scroats would vote anyway), all social support ie dole and NHS and the priveledge to drive.

Also, I would suggest multipliers. If it is your second offence, then you complete any parole you were given then start your new sentance, which is all automatically doubled as it is your second offence. 3rd offence = tripled, 4th = quadrupled. Pretty soon these scum are going to realise that after a few offences they are going to die in some squalid hell hole whilst working their fingers to the bone.

May take a generation or two but hey, we will get there.
 
#6
chocolate_frog said:
Also, I would suggest multipliers. If it is your second offence, then you complete any parole you were given then start your new sentance, which is all automatically doubled as it is your second offence. 3rd offence = tripled, 4th = quadrupled. Pretty soon these scum are going to realise that after a few offences they are going to die in some squalid hell hole whilst working their fingers to the bone.

May take a generation or two but hey, we will get there.

I like that a lot MULTIPLIERS

Get it read John Reid and ahem "Make it so" 8)
 
#7
Priam said:
chocolate_frog said:
Also, I would suggest multipliers. If it is your second offence, then you complete any parole you were given then start your new sentance, which is all automatically doubled as it is your second offence. 3rd offence = tripled, 4th = quadrupled. Pretty soon these scum are going to realise that after a few offences they are going to die in some squalid hell hole whilst working their fingers to the bone.

May take a generation or two but hey, we will get there.

I like that a lot MULTIPLIERS

Get it read John Reid and ahem "Make it so" 8)
Like this?
 
#8
mistersoft said:
Priam said:
chocolate_frog said:
Also, I would suggest multipliers. If it is your second offence, then you complete any parole you were given then start your new sentance, which is all automatically doubled as it is your second offence. 3rd offence = tripled, 4th = quadrupled. Pretty soon these scum are going to realise that after a few offences they are going to die in some squalid hell hole whilst working their fingers to the bone.

May take a generation or two but hey, we will get there.

I like that a lot MULTIPLIERS

Get it read John Reid and ahem "Make it so" 8)
Like this?
No, C'mon if you are that bored write me a story... bullet points, thugs, crime, vigalante(s), jail, lawyers, police and social workers.

I want a happy ending and a cynical (read realistic) one.

I would like to read it after lunch... Crack on, best speed, Tally ho.
 
#9
Priam said:
mistersoft said:
Priam said:
chocolate_frog said:
Also, I would suggest multipliers. If it is your second offence, then you complete any parole you were given then start your new sentance, which is all automatically doubled as it is your second offence. 3rd offence = tripled, 4th = quadrupled. Pretty soon these scum are going to realise that after a few offences they are going to die in some squalid hell hole whilst working their fingers to the bone.

May take a generation or two but hey, we will get there.

I like that a lot MULTIPLIERS

Get it read John Reid and ahem "Make it so" 8)
Like this?
No, C'mon if you are that bored write me a story... bullet points, thugs, crime, vigalante(s), jail, lawyers, police and social workers.

I want a happy ending and a cynical (read realistic) one.

I would like to read it after lunch... Crack on, best speed, Tally ho.
I don't do stories or so most people tell me.

Evidence
 
#11
Priam said:
Ahem, how about a true report from that journo you know ? D
Lardbucket McNasty is currently on duty in Germany investigating a serious case involving the Iranian football team.

It was been rumoured that the Iranians have actually been enriching Lucozade.

On his return, I'm sure he will grab the issues of the day and attack them in his own individual style.
 
#12
hogspawn said:
Priam said:
Taz_786 said:
The public is to be told to "stop moaning and take action" against anti-social behaviour by the Home Secretary, John Reid.

His campaign for people to take greater responsibility for street crime risks alienating the victims of yobbishness and other low-level offences.

Mr Reid demonstrated his desire to seize control of Tony Blair's "respect" programme- denounced by the Tories as "recycled gimmicks" - at a presentation to the Prime Minister and Cabinet colleagues last week, details of which have been obtained by The Sunday Telegraph.

He demanded an "aggressive" publicity campaign that would directly challenge the public, using the slogan "Don't moan - take action - it's your street too."

But David Davis, the shadow Home Secretary, said that Mr Reid's attempts to "shift responsibility on to the shoulders of the public" was "brazen beyond belief".

Campaigners against anti-social behaviour said the proposals could have "devastating consequences".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...b11.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/11/ixuknews.html




Suits me fine! Now wheres my baseball bat...
You would get sod all backing for taking vigilante action. Probably end up with a criminal record too.

Put parents of ASBO type kids in jail, and spend some money on coppers not speed cameras you halfwits.

P.S. Create more jobs by building and staffing new Jails and lets make
them proper jails with no luxuries.
Bloody right

Bring back milk in schols and make illegal for chavs, gangsta types and general ne'er do wells, to breed!
Just realised that between myself and Mr Soft we have dragged this thread completely off topic. :oops:

So in a vain attempt to put it back...Do you think this is a licence to be a vigilante?

Would you stand up to a group of Social miscreants and expect the law to back you up?
 
#13
Last resort of the deeply unpleasant Reid and Liabour - blame the public for not supporting the workers' paradise in which we live!

Everyone knows that if you call the police, nothing will happen unless you say it is a motoring offence or an illegal anti-Liabour protest.
 
#14
mind you unlikely to change if dave got in not as if theres actually going to be any more cash for coppers to do coppering.
5 times phones the police about yobs on the road with those irrating minimotos not exactly the crime of the centuary but not even a hint of a squad car so whats the point of reporting someinthing if no action is ever going to be taken?
 
#15
I love this...

By next April, all the other local authorities in the country will be obliged to sign a "Local Area Agreement" that will see their "respect programme" measured against the public perception of progress in seven key indicators.
Typical managementspeakbollox for doing zip, whilst looking good on paper.

There is about 1% of the population who have any hope of 'standing up to yobs' and getting any 'respect' and that is the 1% who the little scrotes are already scared of; the ones who have a bag of drugs under one car seat and a FO big firearm under the other. For the rest of the populace, the scenario would be a knife in the ribs immediately and a flashing blue light a long time later.

As has been mentioned, until the punishment fits the crime, and that means 20 years inside for carrying a knife, the public are going to do diddly; especially as any action they do take will result in them very publicly being hung out to dry and following Tony Martin into the porridge making business .
 
#16
I think this is called Care in the Community.

John Reid doesn't care.

And you're in the community.

And left to clear up THEIR (HMG's) mess.
 
#17
Maybe I'm just very lucky, but there's always coppers turning up to sort out some problem kids/teens down my street. Why they're not in the big house making friends with bubba and his pals is beyond me, but at the very least the police turn up.
 
#18
I wonder whether the announcement by John Reid could be used as a defence in a court case. Could you imagine Tony Martin standing up in court, and calling Mr Reid as a witness?

It'll never happen....People will take action against yobs, then be charged with assault and probably treated more harshly than the scum they confronted will ever be? How many people standing up for themselves will be rewarded with KFC, trips to holiday spots, visits to amusement parks?

None?

Didnt think so.

Big words from the Labour government, who will sit back and do nothing when it comes to the crunch.

As usual.
 
#19
Its a catch 22 situation nowadays, if you stand up to them then you risk damage to your property or a kicking, but because they're not stood upto then they get away with it. Vicious circle.
The only way to resolve the situation is as previously mentioned, with the offenders being hauled before the courts and a bloody harsh sentence being handed out. Why should someone not be able to enjoy the peace and privacy of their own home because of some yob running around in a pack on the street? The punishment should fit the crime. ASBO's dont work, but perhaps say a few months hard monotonous graft on a punitive diet in a harshly regimed prison may do. Its as good as guaranteed that they wont want to repeat the experience.
 

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