Jock Stirrup appeals to PM to let Swiss Des remain Def Sec

#2
Because one good turn deserves another.
 
#3
Looks like Sir Jock knows what side his bread is buttered and who is worth staying friends with.

Unlike our outspoken hero General Dannatt who instead has earned the respect of the men.
 
#4
So who can you trust?

I'm sure it's like the Last Bunker in Berlin down there at No 10 nowadays. Everyone giving the Luger a pullthrough and light oiling, ready for the right moment; a jerrycan of petrol hidden in the cupboard and a lickspittle Leutnant with a Ronson at the ready.

Well, I hope so. Meanwhile, Doenitz straightens his cap, considers his future (for the next three years?) and marches out to meet the voters.
 
#5
bobthedog said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/2620274/Head-of-Armed-Forces-wants-Des-Browne-to-stay-as-Defence-Secretary.html

Cant see why we need to keep the useless c&nt as Defence Secretary, and cant see why CDS is getting involved in saving his skin.
What Labour MP would be in a position to replace him and do a less bad job? What's the point in putting politicians on a short-posting merry-go-round if it takes time to get into the intricacies of the job? That makes it too easy to deny responsibility because they can always blame their predecessor.
 
#7
MMMM

For my 64 cents worth - dont believe everything you read. Even the Torygraph sports bull shat and rumours - I trust jurno's words like banks - I dont believe them at all.
 
#8
The same newspaper reported that the insignificant squirt Miliband said he would resign if he was moved from Foreign Secretary, and the oily, deceptive twerp Purnell said something similar.

Now the one-eyed oaf Brown knows what it is like to be blackmailed.

If he had an ounce of courage he would sack both before they could resign. If he had two ounces of courage he would call a General Election and then they would all be out of the trough - oops! sorry, out of their jobs.
 
#9
PoisonDwarf said:
What Labour MP would be in a position to replace him and do a less bad job? What's the point in putting politicians on a short-posting merry-go-round if it takes time to get into the intricacies of the job? That makes it too easy to deny responsibility because they can always blame their predecessor.
Nail. Head. Don't we all complain that senior management have a 2 year view on things? A bit of continuity wouldn't be a bad thing - lots going on across 2 theatres, procurement etc etc. I'd not be wanting to re-train a new minister next month when the shuffle is due.
 
#10
Whiskybreath said:
So who can you trust?

I'm sure it's like the Last Bunker in Berlin down there at No 10 nowadays. Everyone giving the Luger a pullthrough and light oiling, ready for the right moment; a jerrycan of petrol hidden in the cupboard and a lickspittle Leutnant with a Ronson at the ready.

Well, I hope so. Meanwhile, Doenitz straightens his cap, considers his future (for the next three years?) and marches out to meet the voters.
Brilliant! - and probably very close to the truth - figuratively if not, sadly, literally.
 
#11
I know the papers are not always worth believing, but the Daily Hate yesterday mentioned that Des The Cnut's potential replacement was the opportunist Shaun Woodward....remember what he came to notice for?
Tin (foil) hats on boys & girls!
 
#12
Now then Sir Stirrup Pump may simply be engaging in that old saw "Better the devil you know" or indeed having discovered he can run rings around the mendacious lawyer batard, why would he wish to replace him with somebody possibly brighter* and less "manageable"?



*Edited to add - somebody possibly brighter is of course a bit difficult to quantify in Swiss' case. Does anybody have a reliable estimate on amoeba numbers?
 

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#13
Cuddles said:
Now then Sir Stirrup Pump may simply be engaging in that old saw "Better the devil you know" or indeed having discovered he can run rings around the mendacious lawyer batard, why would he wish to replace him with somebody possibly brighter* and less "manageable"?



*Edited to add - somebody possibly brighter is of course a bit difficult to quantify in Swiss' case. Does anybody have a reliable estimate on amoeba numbers?
That's a very good point there Cuddles. You only have to look at US presidents through the ages to realise that it's better to have a manageable dullard in power than an intelligent and strong blerk that may do something you don't like.
 
#14
Swiss Des looks like he needs all the help he can get, and may be isolated from Broon. He may be clinging on to the CDS like a drowning man holding on to a liferaft, a situation that offers a lot of advantages to Sir Jock Strap, who is clearly no fool (Harrier pilots seldom are, even though they are intensely annoying in every other way :twisted: ). This is better than some shiny new SoS with lots of dangerous ideas and a desire to make a mark of some kind. 8O You can't exactly call Des a politician on the way up...he is treading water and hoping to make it to the red benches with some sort of reputation salvaged from the mess that is defence.
 
#15
They can work together to explain the £300M shortfall for two years and the £2Bn for the next 8, and at the same time spin it as more money in "real terms".
 
#16
Des is a cnut - but at least he understands defence (in the loosest sense). Any new replacement would need at least a year to get up to speed - with PR08 taking forever, and PR09 likely to be just as bloody, better to have someone in place who understands whats going on, rather than further delaying decisions.
 
#17
Sod it. Keep him in place:

1) Hopefully the senior staff now have him properly trained. We have certainly had more new kit signed off by him in the last few years.

2) Make sure that he is around to clean up any messes that arise out of any decisions he has made. That is the problem with most politicians - They don't stick around after to clear up the mess they cause. Look at Charles Clarke and the Home Office a few years ago.

Ish
 
#18
The only thing I like about Swiss Des is I believe he does genuinely care about the Armed Forces, I just wish he wasn't so bloody ineffectual when it comes to grabbing the Treasury by the throat, or standing up and shouting for his department.

Can't Dr. Reid give him some aggression lessons?
 

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#19
PartTimePongo said:
The only thing I like about Swiss Des is I believe he does genuinely care about the Armed Forces, I just wish he wasn't so bloody ineffectual when it comes to grabbing the Treasury by the throat, or standing up and shouting for his department.

Can't Dr. Reid give him some aggression lessons?
To be honest, during a conflict this post is always going to be a bit of a poisoned chalice for all all but the most talented of politicians. I remember reading Denis Healey's memoirs from the late 1960's when the MoD was perpetually caught between the FO's (and PM's) ambitions and the Treasury's frugality. It was pretty insightful and probably just as relevant today.

I too quite like John Reid. He was from the street thug bruiser tradition, but that's not always such a bad thing. Des Browne is a bit of a doormat in comparison.
 
#20
In fairness John Reid had the measure of Afghanistan, when he commented that he wouldn't be surprised if the UK force about to deploy would end up "not firing a shot". 116 troops and all of the 5.56, 7.62, .50, 105, 84 and JAVALIN later, I wonder how informed the silly scots cnut thinks he is now.
 

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