JNCO Cadre and Command Leadership & Management (CLM) for TA

#1
Has anyway heard anything more about the Army's intention to introduce CLM to the TA? I attended a workshop at ULOTC last year and have not heard a thing since.

Related to that, my regiment recently incorporated some EOs/TOs from the regular JNCO CLM into the JNCO Cadre. Seemed to work OK.

What sort of format do your unit JNCO Cadre's take? Ours is usually a weekend course.
 
#2
RSigs TA

two weeks for both Cpls and Sgts (currently SSgts) @ Blandford delivered on the Det Comds and Sgts courses
 
#3
2weeks at catterick covering teaching,coaching,bit of drill,orders process
patrols and section attacks. Ta cft ,bpfa.And beastings at every opptunity
(well ta beastings any way ) Bergans full of stuff you wouldnt normally carry
as is webbing .
 
#5
The RauxAF send their JNCO's on the regs course at RAF Halton
 
#6
Same regt as Pickle

LCpl Cadre one weekend in field, usually consists of one days lessons, patrols, fire and manoeuvre, rection to effective fire etc. Orders . Map appreciation, battle pt, then move to location set up harbour area establish routine, recce patrols and then get bumped in the morning, after that cft and degunge.

Cpl Cadre, same a LCpl except you will e expected to give orders andbe 1ic or 2 ic at some point. More effort expected. Then to Blandford for 2 weeks Dettys course as laid out in their book , which I believe changed last year.

Of course completing any cadre is in no way an indication that promotions will actually take place
 
#7
But those weekends (34 also do one for Sgts aswell) is not CLM. CLM will delivered in every branch of the TA at Cpl, Sgt and WO levels.

It may also be the tip of the iceberg, we accept soldiers at a educational level below what we need. In the regulars this is no problem as the training brings them upto the required levels, we don't do this in the TA.

Just think One Army - Gawd knows what bright idea is gonna come to the fore to solve the above problem.
 
#8
polar69 said:
Same regt as Pickle

LCpl Cadre one weekend in field, usually consists of one days lessons, patrols, fire and manoeuvre, rection to effective fire etc. Orders . Map appreciation, battle pt, then move to location set up harbour area establish routine, recce patrols and then get bumped in the morning, after that cft and degunge.

Cpl Cadre, same a LCpl except you will e expected to give orders andbe 1ic or 2 ic at some point. More effort expected. Then to Blandford for 2 weeks Dettys course as laid out in their book , which I believe changed last year.

Of course completing any cadre is in no way an indication that promotions will actually take place

When I joined up one thing I asked for was not to do my Lance Jacks or Full screw courses again as I don't think I could handle another 6 weeks with a lunatic paratrooper PTI, then the concept of weekend courses was explained.

Not knocking the time period for the course as such, I understand the TA's restriction of time, but why not a week ?
 
#9
Woody, I hear you man. I fecking hated mine, being beasted around and generaly knacked all the time.

One weekend sounds great, I might join the sigs. How hard can it be?
 
#10
polar69 said:
Same regt as Pickle

LCpl Cadre one weekend in field, usually consists of one days lessons, patrols, fire and manoeuvre, rection to effective fire etc. Orders . Map appreciation, battle pt, then move to location set up harbour area establish routine, recce patrols and then get bumped in the morning, after that cft and degunge.

Cpl Cadre, same a LCpl except you will e expected to give orders andbe 1ic or 2 ic at some point. More effort expected. Then to Blandford for 2 weeks Dettys course as laid out in their book , which I believe changed last year.

Of course completing any cadre is in no way an indication that promotions will actually take place
And we wonder why the Regs treat us as second class citizens? One weekend in no way cuts it to deliver JNCO's of any degree of competence. My own potential JNCO was 4 weekends in the field which just about adequate for some people. Subsequent promotion depended on your course report and performance. Next step up was covered by a 2 weeek TA version of Junior Brecon.

Perhaps I'm too long in the tooth now but it appears that with the current dearth of numbers staying long enough to be promoted are we just playing Buggins turn nowadays? :evil:
 
#11
Pluvia_Plumbum said:
And we wonder why the Regs treat us as second class citizens? One weekend in no way cuts it to deliver JNCO's of any degree of competence.
Only this one Sigs Regt does this and really its only an independent assesment of a soldiers ability, the actual training happens elsewhere.
 
#12
polar said:
Pluvia_Plumbum said:
And we wonder why the Regs treat us as second class citizens? One weekend in no way cuts it to deliver JNCO's of any degree of competence.
Only this one Sigs Regt does this and really its only an independent assesment of a soldiers ability, the actual training happens elsewhere.
So what happens with the rest of 11 and 2NC?

In my experience most soldiers are welcome to attend the cadres, however it's only worth while if the right people in your squadron have been making the right noises and think you're close to being good JNCO material.
 
#17
I think the idea is that you generally develop your LCpl skills on your C2, Annual Camp and other courses such as DITS etc. As well as in house opportunities (all ranks ball, good det maintenance, general performance etc).
 
#19
Isn't this all a bit gay? My inf PJNCO Cadre was two weeks at Catterick:

Saturday: WHT, PFT

Sunday: Lessons on duties of 2IC, Navigation assessment, block cleaning, general being fucked about.

Monday: More lessons on Nav, duties of 2IC, Shooting coaching etc.

Tuesday: CFT, Shooting coaching test on SATS range, Drill, being fucked about, Admin for ex, nav lessons.

Wednesday: Out into field, establish and rehearse SOP's for course, day nav ex. Admin fuckabout, night navex.

Thursday: Admin **** about, mild tabbing based beasting, section attack lanes. Bigger beasting back to camp, weak candidates start to flag. Enter massive post ex admin vortex with angry shouty platoon sergeant. Marvel at the ability of course mong to loose PRR in 24hrs in field.

Friday: Locker and kit inspections, Drill, intro to orders process, incredibly boring lesson on "instilling and maintaining the desire to learn" (Discover Army has sense of irony)

Saturday: Notionally, day off. Instead, lessons on various 'odds and sods' like model making. Spend most of the day waiting for plt cmdr to get over hangover and write orders. Recieve plt cmdrs orders, extract and prep section orders for tomorrow.

Sunday: Frantic packing of kit. Help illiterate with orders. Explain concept of "2 up intent" 43 times to PJNCO with IQ of frog. Tell him not to worry and concentrate on counting magazines and dead people in the reorg. Pack kit for field. Spend 2 hrs waterproofing porn and inserting into nirex. Deliver section orders to section. Prep to deploy into field. All kit on, march to armoury. Plt Sgt realises forgot to tell armourer he was needed Sunday. Watch Plt Sgt and Lt have big fight about whether to go into the field without weapons and come back tomorrow for them. Spend extra night in bed. Plt Sgt now in bad mood for rest of course.

Monday: Get weapons from amused armourer. Tab into field. Watch the fat kid keel over carrying his full CEMO for over 200yds. Begin round of command appointments.

Tuesday-Thursday: Command appointments as sections. Much admin fuckaboutery. Much tactical fuckaboutery. Many casevac serials to test 'robustness'.

Thursday-Friday: Run out of cigarettes due to training screws constantly poncing them. Cry. Move to Plt ops, Plt Sgt now extra angry. Section mong decides to wear full Goretex and softie for plt attack as its drizzling. Section mong collapses of heat exaustion on approach march. Revive him. Carry out attack. Go back for Section mong (Stafford, btw) who collapsed from heat exhaustion 50m from start line. Come under DF on re-org. Take casualty. Begin forced case-evac 2km back to aid post. Section mong collapses again. Casevac ex casualty AND section mong 1.8km back to aid post.

Early Friday: Top student appointed Plt Sgt. Real plt sgt leaves field as its raining and he's too old for this shit. All relax incl. plt cmdr. Carry out final attack, OC casevacs bloke who gets stabbed in the eye with a BFA.

Late Friday: Tab back to camp. Congratulated by screw. Find plt sgt lurking in office and enter a positive hell of post ex admin. Plt Sgt grumpy as A) armourer is still taking the piss. B) He's not got his full 8hrs the night before. The horror!

Saturday: Make bollox attempt at pass-out parade. Plt sgt cries into cheap lager at TA's inability to do drill. Jump in minibus and escape Catterick, never to return. Start worrying about Junior Brecon.
 
#20
Poor drills porn should have been nyrexed before you got to cattarick :D .
Just been told have to do this course again :cry: .
Oh well maybe my role in life is to be a bad example .
 
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