Jersey Enquiry Re-Visited

#1
The former deputy Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police [Lenny Harper] enjoyed many national headlines over the last 12 months, but probably not this one.

NO MURDERS IN JERSEY

On the One o'clock News, it was also announced that the Chief Officer of SOJP [Graham Power] has been suspended.

Regrettably, last month, the Home Affairs Minister resigned suddenly and surprisingly after a minor row in the Council of Ministers ... over a relatively trivial procedural issue completely unconnected with the Haut de la Garenne Enquiry. So there'll be little enlightenment from that quarter, although the Minister always offered full support for Lenny Harper and Graham Power.

More Jersey News is available at THIS IS JERSEY
...the new senior officers leading the investigation have concluded that:

• No children were murdered at Haut de la Garenne.
• No bodies were hidden or burnt there.
• There is no evidence to suggest that the 65 children’s teeth found there were not shed naturally.
• The majority of the bone fragments which were tested were animal.
• Two of three bone fragments which were possibly human but not positively identified as such are dated between 1470 and 1670, and the third between 1660 and 1950.
• Items considered as possibly shackles, but not named as such by Mr Harper, are just rusty pieces of metal.
• There is no evidence that an item found which it was believed could have been improvised restraints is anything suspicious.
• No blood was found in samples detected by sniffer dogs in the concrete bath.
• There is no evidence that the bath was used in the carrying out of any offences.
• The underground spaces referred to as cellars, and in some media reports as dungeons or punishment rooms, were voids and not cellars.
In fact, it was all borrocks, and cost the Island over £7 million.
 
#2
And on the BBC it was used to deflect the Headlines off quite a number of Gordon's rougher days, demoting some of the news items about the missing IR data disks down to 2nd or 3rd item ln news programmes.

I understand the BBC has also been accused of "inflating" the news from the Jersey childrens home story.
 
#3
bobthedog said:
And on the BBC it was used to deflect the Headlines off quite a number of Gordon's rougher days, demoting some of the news items about the missing IR data disks down to 2nd or 3rd item ln news programmes.
I understand the BBC has also been accused of "inflating" the news from the Jersey childrens home story.
IMO, over the last 12 months, the Media naturally salivated over the possibilities offered by Lenny Harper's "Dungeons of Death" and Lenny just kept feeding them more raw meat. Anything that seemed to contradict his pre-conceived ideas was rejected, such as the fact that landfill soil from an old cemetery was possibly involved in the "sub-floor voids". And the bit of coconut shell, and the bit of bent wire, were inflated to become what he wanted them to be.

I have no idea whether Harper was a complete idiot, or trying to finish his moderate undistinguished career with a bang. I do have reason to believe that he was NOT a good, proper Police Officer, who allowed personal feelings to dominate his thinking [and I will not go much further on that point, thank you].
I also have reason to believe that the Chief Officer, now suspended [at last] was overwhelmed by his deputy ... and that neither of them were in any way properly overseen by the relevant/irrelevant Minister.

IMO the Minister, the Chief and the Deputy were all, in different ways, unfit for purpose. Thank God we now have Mr Warcup. And I mean that MOST sincerely ... SOJP have been out of control for years.
 
#4
I believe he was the Father-in-Law of a British Officer killed in Iraq. His daughter was pregnant when her husband was killed. Perhaps he's had more on his mind.
 
#5
So the holidays I was planning,taking people to see the site of these horrific murders,the torture chambers,the blood stained bath will have to be cancelled ?
 
#6
vvaannmmaann said:
So the holidays I was planning,taking people to see the site of these horrific murders,the torture chambers,the blood stained bath will have to be cancelled ?
Indeed ... I believe the Youth Hostel aspect is currently defunct. You may however visit numerous jolly German bunkers from WW2, including the Underground Hospital built by slave labour.
Not a very funny place either.
 
#7
CrapSpy said:
I believe he was the Father-in-Law of a British Officer killed in Iraq. His daughter was pregnant when her husband was killed. Perhaps he's had more on his mind.
As a non-resident, you may have a more charitable view.

There are many here would say that Mr Harper abused his Police powers extensively. This is NOT the first time he has attracted adverse media attention.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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#8
He's just been on R4 saying that he never said that stuff, others implied it from what he did say!

I must remember that.
 
#9
And Telegraph On-Line has updated ...
READ IT HERE

... although they got the cost of the enquiry wrong. It's not £4m, it's £7.5m.

You guys have no idea how relieved most islanders are that this dreadful Media dung-fest, generated by Harper and silently backed by Power, has finally been exposed as simple BORROCKS.

The Child Abuse Enquiry was massively diverted by Harper's blinkered determination to create something murderously wonderful to finish his career ... especially when you consider what a shallow career he had. An ex-RAFP, went civvy, made inspector, back to sgt on a job-change, and eventually made it all the way up to Superintendent before getting the job in Jersey as Deputy Chief Officer [How? Why?].

And an OBE to finish would have been nice? Or am I being cynical?
 
#10
Grownup_Rafbrat said:
He's just been on R4 saying that he never said that stuff, others implied it from what he did say!

I must remember that.
Some of it HE said, some was mis-digested vomited by the Media ... but he still kept feeding them.

Remember the first big speech? [the bit of coconut shell] ... "We have found what we believe to be parts of a child's body". That's what he said. Pillock.
 

elovabloke

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#11
Another one not on your dinner party list then. Fair do's you did say it right from the start.
 
#12
vvaannmmaann said:
So the holidays I was planning,taking people to see the site of these horrific murders,the torture chambers,the blood stained bath will have to be cancelled ?
You can always go to Belgium or Austria - the Premier League of Peadophiles! :twisted:
 
#13
Werewolf said:
vvaannmmaann said:
So the holidays I was planning,taking people to see the site of these horrific murders,the torture chambers,the blood stained bath will have to be cancelled ?
You can always go to Belgium or Austria - the Premier League of Peadophiles! :twisted:
Can we move on, please? This is not a NAAFI topic.

This is about a VERY senior police officer who has [it is alleged] severely mishandled a major enquiry in the full light of the World's media.

Thanks, guys.
 
#14
It seems to me hat the jersey establishment tried to cover this up fom the start. when that didn't work they attacked the SIO. Even he said it would be difficult to prove murder many months ago. He was even getting threatining phone calls FFS.

The way to deal with jersey is direct rule and a task force from the UK to sort out the whole rotten pile, get rid of this honorary police malarky, bring in outsiders to run the legal system, nationalis the banks and investigate where all the cash has come from. Either that or declare UDI and pull out.

Trotsky
 
#15
blue-sophist said:
Werewolf said:
vvaannmmaann said:
So the holidays I was planning,taking people to see the site of these horrific murders,the torture chambers,the blood stained bath will have to be cancelled ?
You can always go to Belgium or Austria - the Premier League of Peadophiles! :twisted:
Can we move on, please? This is not a NAAFI topic.

This is about a VERY senior police officer who has [it is alleged] severely mishandled a major enquiry in the full light of the World's media.

Thanks, guys.
Sorry Sir,
The bigger boys made me do it.
 
#16
Trotsky said:
It seems to me hat the jersey establishment tried to cover this up fom the start. when that didn't work they attacked the SIO. Even he said it would be difficult to prove murder many months ago. He was even getting threatining phone calls FFS.

The way to deal with jersey is direct rule and a task force from the UK to sort out the whole rotten pile, get rid of this honorary police malarky, bring in outsiders to run the legal system, nationalis the banks and investigate where all the cash has come from. Either that or declare UDI and pull out.

Trotsky
Vaguely interesting. Are you a friend of Stuart Syvret?
You have an curiously unbalanced view on Jersey, or presumably have a vested interest somewhere.
Do tell us more, O Wise One.
 
#17
vvaannmmaann said:
blue-sophist said:
Werewolf said:
vvaannmmaann said:
So the holidays I was planning,taking people to see the site of these horrific murders,the torture chambers,the blood stained bath will have to be cancelled ?
You can always go to Belgium or Austria - the Premier League of Peadophiles! :twisted:
Can we move on, please? This is not a NAAFI topic.
This is about a VERY senior police officer who has [it is alleged] severely mishandled a major enquiry in the full light of the World's media.
Thanks, guys.
Sorry Sir,
The bigger boys made me do it.
:lol: :lol:
OK, 50 lines ... "I must not post inappropriately on serious threads".
 
#18
OK, 50 lines ... "I must not post inappropriately on serious threads".[/quote]

Are you going to get Bergerac on the case he would have sused it. Sorry :wink:
 
#19
wheel said:
Are you going to get Bergerac on the case he would have sused it. Sorry :wink:
IMO, John Nettles could have handled things better.

I shall watch with interest to see what the Media have to say tomorrow.

And so should everyone else, unless the Media have lost interest already ... they can have a very short attention span :wink:
 
#20
thing that bothered me more than anything was hearing London based MP's spouting forth about how the mainland police should take over the enquiry, and how there should be oversight - when the governance and laws of the islands have nothing at all to do with the house of commons!

I think we've seen another Orkney's here - people looking for satanic/ritual abuse in small communities, and Reading what they want into the evidence. Too much watching old Edward Woodward films methinks!
 

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