Jeremey Vine Radio 2 - Discussing ex-soldiers in prison.

#2
Something like 10% I heard on the Radio this morning. Still 20k is a bloody lot of ex-forces. Isn't the figure for homeless people on the streets 1 in 5 ex forces as well.

just shows in what high regard we hold our vets. If they were Chav, benefit scrounging scum there would be programs abound to keep them in houses and out of nick.
 
#3
Mr_Deputy said:
Jeremy Vine should be fcking locked up.
Words of wisdom.
 

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#4
#5
This show's what a disgrace how government is and they are not giving our vetrans the help and support they really need with the transition from the armed forces to civvi street which is quite traumatic for our vetrans .
 
#7
Doesn't matter what you did for a living if you commit a violent offence the court's first duty is to protect society.

Listened to all the trained killer nonsense on Jezza's show. Soldiers have a greater need of self control and that's a bigger part of training.

20,000 would be a large percentage of those discharged that have seen frontline service.

The truth is the military appeals to risk takers with lower levels of academic achievement and the same characteristics apply to criminals.
 
#8
Someone has turned on the light and realised that there is a problem of sevicemen/women settling into civvy life (or civvies having a problem accepting ex service people). For JV and radio 2 to allocate about twenty minutes with a couple of shitty records thrown in is a disgrace.
Never mind eh, they will no doubt discuss some downtrodden, state sponging, criminal fat b'stard with a coke habit and a dozen kids that will probably get more of a reaction from joe public.
 
#10
There was a Dispatches program last week about two ex-army guys with PTSD, one had served 5 years for possession of a gun as he thought that the insurgents were coming into his house. The other committed suicide.
 
#11
pandora said:
This show's what a disgrace how government is and they are not giving our vetrans the help and support they really need with the transition from the armed forces to civvi street which is quite traumatic for our vetrans .
I think you're Chubb and I claim my £5
 
#13
To be fair to JV, he rarely holds any opinion, he does enjoy playing devils advocate though, which I quite like. The piece was quite short and as usual, had no resolve from a coulpe of over-opinionated pillocks refusing to reach a middle ground.

Personnaly I liked the idea from the opposition of 'make their pensions so big they never NEED to work with normal people when they get out.'

Suits me just fine!
 
#14
re-stilly said:
Something like 10% I heard on the Radio this morning. Still 20k is a bloody lot of ex-forces. .
Can't be annything like that.

Numbers lockled up last Friday were 84,422 (which is currently the highest number of inmates held in the system) with a total operational capacity of 85,307. If ex-forces make up 10% of the total population then you would be looking at a figure of 8400.
 
#15
I was going on the figures stated in the first post with the 10% heard on the radio and that the figure of 20k was 10% of the prision population.
 

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re-stilly said:
I was going on the figures stated in the first post with the 10% heard on the radio and that the figure of 20k was 10% of the prision population.
the 20k refers to the number within the Criminal Justice System, ie prison, probation or parole.

The 10% refers to the 8,500 estimated to be in prison itself.
 
#17
I think the figures are probably skewed. How many of those considered ex-forces actually completed training? I've met clients when I was working in drug/alcohol rehab, and a few of them tried to join the army, but had left during training usually - normally because of a chick, or not feeling mature enough etc - the usual reasons.

I'm sure if they only counted individuals who had completed training, the figures would be a lot lower.
 
#19
It's an agenda looking for justification.

You can't draw the conclusion that 20,000 squaddies have left the forces with ptsd 'n are in clink because of it.

I blame the Rambo films.


Good point about all those old soldier warders. Perhaps MoD should consider mobilising Wormwood Scrubs en masse: double whammy, strategic overstretch 'n prison over crowding in one stroke.
 
#20
It's a meaningless discussion because we know nothing about the individuals concerned. For example what are we supposed to make of a 40 year old male doing time for say, Driving while Disqualifed, who shows up in this figure because he served three year in the RAF in the 80's? F**k all, thats' what.

This is a non-story until such time as somebody properly researches the figures and comes up with some evidence we can relate to.
 

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