I feel there is a lot more to discuss, particularly in connection with 'where do we go from here' in trusting the Met' as an institution and how potential suicide bombers should be dealt with. Anyway, to continue, and in the spirt of 'debate the ball, not player' and seeing as me and whitecity have stumbled on some common ground (who'd have thoght it, eh ).... Hell, something I also agree with you on! I've said all along, the incident as a whole was a clusterfcuk, and that's down to the bosses, not the boots on the ground in my opinion. If JC had been Osman, none of us would care if things wore done outside of the rules, because the end would justify the means, particularly if it was Osman and he was ready to blow. But now we are left with, in my opinion, right decission, wrong bloke and truely clusterfcuk face saving exercise by Scotland Yard which detracts from the more important issue of, there are in all likelyhood to be more suicide bomber attacks, how do we approach them and how do we stop them. My feeling on this that if you are a identified 'suspect' or unidentified 'suspect' from an op on the street you need to be incapacitated at the earliest opertunity. If that means Mr 9mm to the head with no warning, so be it. If 1 innocent person dies per 'wrong bloke'senario, so be it, because getting it wrong with a bombed up suicide bomber leads to many, many more innocent people dying. I don't see there is any other way unless tazzars can stop someone from detonating a bomb and not trigger it themselves.