Japan is preparing to be a leading military power again

#1
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20051024-054452-4268r

Koizumi's Liberal Democratic Party this July announced an outline of constitutional amendments, calling for scrapping Article 9, Clause 2 which bars Japan from possessing armed forces.
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Japan is preparing to be a leading military power again, but for the foreseeable future as an ally of the Americans, rather than as a self-standing great power in Asia.
Foreseeable future? But what will happen in 2020-2030?
 
#3
4(T) said:
Fine - I'm all for it. We need a powerful regional counterpoint to China's imperial ambitions.
Hmm, angling for a job with BAe Systems, by any chance?

The China-Japan thing is classic security dilemma stuff. Neither wants to have at it, (they are each other's largest trading partner) but they both scare the crap out of each other. Note that globalisation doesn't necessarily bring peace. Germany and Great Britain were big markets for each other, right up until the outbreak of WWI.

A 'powerful counterpoint' of a more assertive Japanese security policy will not achieve a balance of power but will speed up the arms race, causing panic elsewhere (E.g. Russia, Taiwan, the Koreas, The Phillipines, India & Pakistan, Mongolia etc.) and perhaps even the Central Asian Republics.
 
#5
Flynn101 said:
Would Japan support Taiwan if Taiwan was invaded by the Chinese?
Unlikely. Taiwan (as Honпkong) is doomed to be a part of China sooner or later.
 
#6
Not quite the same.

We gave Hongkong away by treaty. Taiwan has no one but it's own govenment in charge, and the only way you're going to convince them is to line them up and shoot them after the invasion.
 
#7
Off topic, but being on TELIC when the JDF deployed troops for the first time since WWII, I felt privileged to be present when the Japanese medics crossed the border at Safwan.

It was spoilt a little by one of our corporals approached them, and screamed "YOU WRAPPED MY GRANDAD IN BARBED WIRE, YOU B*STARDS!"
 
#8
Listy said:
Not quite the same.

We gave Hongkong away by treaty. Taiwan has no one but it's own govenment in charge, and the only way you're going to convince them is to line them up and shoot them after the invasion.
From point of view of International law, Taiwan is a part of China that is not currently under control of central government. Moreover Taiwan doesn't claim itself as an independent country.
 
#9
gingwarr said:
Off topic, but being on TELIC when the JDF deployed troops for the first time since WWII, I felt privileged to be present when the Japanese medics crossed the border at Safwan.

It was spoilt a little by one of our corporals approached them, and screamed "YOU WRAPPED MY GRANDAD IN BARBED WIRE, YOU B*STARDS!"
:lol:

i would have loved to see the japs faces



on another note , would they be as tough as the last lot in a scrap with China ?
better open the foundries for more Samurai swords :)
 
#10
Does this mean we'll be hearing cries of "By Shinto!" and "For the Emperor- BANZAI!!!" throughout the pacific?
 
#12
Aren't the Japanese Land and Maritime 'Self-Defence Forces' already amongst the largest in Asia? Might not this political move on the part of the Japanese PM not be linked to his attempts to placate/check growing nationalist sentiment in Japan itself? Isn't there also the issue of those islands - whose name escapes me right now - which several Asian nations claim, and the international moratorium on the mineral exploitation of which expires sometime soon?
 
#13
Irishmech said:
Sergey,

Any idea of how the Japanese public feel about the possibilty of Article 9 being scrapped?
Haven't any idea. Ask Japanese policeman (YAPONSKI GORODOVOY - well know Russian idiomatic expression).

GORODOVOY - policeman in tsarist Russia.

Word ... hmm fc*ked has Russian analog and it sounds similar to word YAPONSKI (Japanese). There are situations then direct usage of specific words is not allowed...
 
#16
WEATHERMAN1956 said:
Just wait till they get a woman on the Chrysanthemum Throne...
...there is actually an historical precedent for that.
 
#17
gallowglass said:
Aren't the Japanese Land and Maritime 'Self-Defence Forces' already amongst the largest in Asia? Might not this political move on the part of the Japanese PM not be linked to his attempts to placate/check growing nationalist sentiment in Japan itself? Isn't there also the issue of those islands - whose name escapes me right now - which several Asian nations claim, and the international moratorium on the mineral exploitation of which expires sometime soon?
From memory the Japanese Navy (OK, "Maritime Self Defence Force") is currently the second largest in the world behind only the US. Although because in their case they are deliberately limiting themselves to small ships they are rather less effective than pure numbers would suggest.
 
#18
The jap wories me more then the Chinese.
China has massive internal problems and if left be will grow and become more capitalist with the passing years.
Japan is fully unified and leans to the extream 'Right'.
Both nations need oil.
Japan is better able to protect it's sea routes due to an excellent navy.
Japan will expand it's nucular energy facilities along with most most nations.
Corruption is an internal problem for China which will never go away.
War lords are now held in check by communisum but could soon rise given changes in the political system.
Changes which must come for Communist China is an oxymoran for what is and always has been a Naturally Capitalist country.
The few years of so called communism are but a second in the history of the Middle Kingdom.
john
 
#19
gingwarr said:
Off topic, but being on TELIC when the JDF deployed troops for the first time since WWII, I felt privileged to be present when the Japanese medics crossed the border at Safwan.

It was spoilt a little by one of our corporals approached them, and screamed "YOU WRAPPED MY GRANDAD IN BARBED WIRE, YOU B*STARDS!"
I work with many Japanese and have never as yet given in to the urge to tell them "YOU MURDERED MY UNCLE YOU SLANT-EYED B+STARD"[although I have been tempted].I actually find them to be very nice polite people. :)

"If it wasn't for the Nips being so good at building ships,
The yards would still be working on the Clyde.
But it can't be much fun for them beneath the Rising Sun,
With all their kids committing suicide.
 
#20
Having worked in japan for the best part of a year, I would say that they are in denial about what they did during WWII. Germany has accepted its actions and socially distanced itself from the ideas which led to those actions. I am therefore not concerned with germany taking a role in international security matters. (e.g. in the balkans.) As japan has not come to tems with its actions and even IDOLISES many of the atrocities, what is to stop them from doing the same again. When they have UNCONDITIONALLY accepted their actions and apologised, I would accept that they have learn't from the past and their society has changed, but not until then.

SC
 

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