James Callaghan dies

#1
and 11 days after his wife.

RIP Lord Callaghan. I do hope the Andrew do something special for him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4385047.stm

Former Labour Prime Minister Lord Callaghan has died aged 92, a family spokeswoman has said.
He passed away at home in East Sussex, just 11 days after he watched his wife Audrey die aged 91.

Lord Callaghan, who would have been 93 on Sunday, recently became the oldest living former British PM in history.

James Callaghan became prime minister in 1976 after the resignation of Harold Wilson. He became Lord Callaghan of Cardiff in 1987.

He held each of the major offices of Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary and Prime Minister during his career.
 
#2
PartTimePongo said:
and 11 days after his wife.

RIP Lord Callaghan. I do hope the Andrew do something special for him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4385047.stm

Former Labour Prime Minister Lord Callaghan has died aged 92, a family spokeswoman has said.
He passed away at home in East Sussex, just 11 days after he watched his wife Audrey die aged 91.

Lord Callaghan, who would have been 93 on Sunday, recently became the oldest living former British PM in history.

James Callaghan became prime minister in 1976 after the resignation of Harold Wilson. He became Lord Callaghan of Cardiff in 1987.

He held each of the major offices of Chancellor, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary and Prime Minister during his career.
Sad news. Lady (Audrey) Callaghan was also a commanding figure in her own right. RIP.
 
#3
RIP
 
#4
Brace yourself for the cringmaking quote from Bliar on how JC inspired him to be a socialist etc.
 
#5
I remember strapping him in a Scout at Ballykelly 69, along with Dennis Healy and the Brigade Commander Peter Leng. They had had a GOOD early lunch and where in good humoir.
john
 
#6
mussolini93 said:
Brace yourself for the cringmaking quote from Bliar on how JC inspired him to be a socialist etc.
Nah, Bliar will never mention the S-word - Neue Arbeit don't like to put it about that they're actually socialists... :roll: somthing to do with middle-class voters, methinks!
 
#7
That man served , Royal Navy Arctic convoys.

He also supported very strongly an INDEPENDENT British Nuclear deterrent

Baroness Thatcher tonight descibed him as a PATRIOT.

Good enough for me. As G3 says , he's dead. Please show some respect, even if it's just for his service. For that reason I'm deleting your posts.

PTP
 
#8
Just PMd you PtP. I may have used a strong word but just because this guy died it does not rub out the things he did. He was no saint and left this country in ruins when he was kicked out of office by the nation, are we somehow supposed to forget that once he dies. Respect needs to be earned and he certainly didn't earn mine while he was PM.

I support a strong nuclear detelrent - so what? What does that actually mean, crap pollie talk to detract from the point as usual.

But then again you’re a politician too so no surprises in that you all stick together……..
 
#9
I have said before no one who was of voting age will forget the 70s. We had two of the worst PMs in Brit history, Wilson and Heath. The economy went from one to the other and then back again.
Nither was up to doing what was needed to sort out UK or the economy and it took Maggei to sort that out.
We'll never have another Maggei and J C was was the last of the decent labour leaders with personal standards that where accepatable both in and out of parliament.
john
 
#10
Crocodile tears my dear old things? moast of us I suspect would not have crossed the road to piss on Jim Callaghan if he was on fire. As Ord_Sgt so rightly says, just because he is dead does not make him a saint. He was a very less than average PM.

The flavour of this thread reminds me of the Not the nine O Clock News sketch where the two politicos are having a stand up row and one of them dies..."A great parlimentarian, he will be sadly missed..."

As I recall his RN service was not exactly front-line either. The late seventies were piss-poor in terms of government, to paraphrase another "great" PM, we never had it so bad. Sorry he's dead in a John Donne-ish styley but wish he hadn't troubled the scorers at No. 10!
 
#12
Good enough for me.
That's just the crux of the issue, isn't it. No earthly reason for a differing opinion to be culled - shuffling off the mortal coil does not absolve you of your mistakes, serving in HMF does not make you immune from criticism, and as for patriotism, well that's about as subjective as it comes.

Fcuk's sake, it's getting more and more 1984 in here by the day...
 
#13
Belushi and others who seem to think Big Brother is alive and well.

I don't believe referring to a deceased ex-Prime Minister as a **** on a thread containing messages of condolence is appropriate behaviour.

Of course you can express an opinion that you did not like the individual concerned. You can even express that in strong terms.

However , I feel the use of four letter expletives to describe a deceased former Prime Minister are inappropriate

Therefore both posts were culled. Ord Sgt was pm'med with my reasons for culling his posts.

As an aside, SB is right , except that from memory David Owen, then the Foreign Secretary received exactly the same message from Endurance that she sent in 82 to Margaret Thatcher.

David Owen sent a strongly worded message to Buenos Aries, that if they crossed a certain latitude , we would despatch the Caribbean Squadron to deal with the transgression.
 
#15
I don't believe referring to a deceased ex-Prime Minister as a **** on a thread containing messages of condolence is appropriate behaviour.
But those aren't the grounds you culled people's comments on, are they?

You said:

That man served , Royal Navy Arctic convoys.

He also supported very strongly an INDEPENDENT British Nuclear deterrent

Baroness Thatcher tonight descibed him as a PATRIOT.
Which was:

Good enough for me.
So, regardless of whether or not I share your opinions on the merits of independent nuclear deterrents, the very brave individuals of the Artic Convoys or any other matter, it was your value system, imposed on the rest of us which caused the comments to be culled. The issue of respect was at best an afterthought, which you've mentioned now to stop people thinking you're far too active with that delete key of yours.

Don't do it again, there's a good chap.
 
#16
I agree with Pongoman (it sometimes happens :) ).

Jimmy was treated like Andrex by the unions and was next to useless as a PM, but he was an honourable man who believed in what he did. Besides which, he did his bit and certainly doesn't deserve to be called a ****, alive or dead.
 
#17
Don't do it again, there's a good chap.
What?

Belushi, I have already explained, by PM to the poster whose replies I culled, and in public my EXACT reasons for doing so. I am sure if you ask him, he'll send you both his original question and a copy of my reply, if he feels it any of your business that is.

PTP
 
#18
PTP did PM me with his reason – in short the word was inappropriate, which I accept. However as I said in the PM he was a likable enough person – I met him in the late eighties in Germany - he was though an unmitigated disaster as PM. And as others have said his death however sad that may be does not change that.

BTW I served in GW1, NI and Africa so can you stop criticizing me? Or do I have to die first? :roll:
 
#19
As a relative youngster (Maggie Thatcher being my 'first' Prime Minister) I don't have any personal memories of Lord Callaghan as PM, but as a former politics student I am aware of his less-than-successful period as PM. There tends to be a bit of 'Golden Age' haziness that surrounds Elder Statesmen once they retire from the dirt & sleaze of political life, and in keeping with most people's respectful nature in not speaking ill of the dead, most of the deceased's 'less noble' actions and decisions are not referred to.

I wonder what will be said of BLiar when the Grim Reaper calls for him... :wink:
 
#20
Jim tried to see both sides of any situation prehaps not the best way for a PM but he was just the wrong man at the wrong time. He wasn't adverse to putting a bit of steel to the velvet glove , everyone remembers the Iranian Embassy ( Thatcher ) but what about the team that he put in to lead the half trained GS9 hijack busters in somalia after the luft hansa hijack. When the reaper calls on Ted Heath will he be called a cnut or an honerable man like Ted Jim thought of everyone not just his voters unlike maggie selling of the family jewels , if you see sid tell him we all got screwed.
 

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